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Got ganked and pod killed first time yesterday

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Fernando MRuiz
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-05-31 11:23:25 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Expect ganks in hisec, even if the system you're mining in is quiet.

Make liberal use of dscan: set it to max distance and 360 degree scans, and it'll show any ships within 14 AU of you.

*snipped protection racket promotion* - CCP Eterne

While Mackinaws and Hulks get bonuses to their ore holds and yield respectively, a well-fitted Skiff can hold out long enough for CONCORD to have a chat with a ganker. Something to keep in mind.

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C C P Alliance
#22 - 2013-05-31 12:44:47 UTC
I've removed further promotion of protection schemes from this thread. Do not do that.

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Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-05-31 13:05:13 UTC
As the OP may have noticed, there are groups that have reduced suicide-ganking of mining ships to a science - multiple groups, as well as many solo gankers (i.e. buying into a protection racket doesn't do much to, well, protect you).

Several methods can be utilized to overcome the gankers: you can pick and choose safer systems to mine in; you can accept an occasional gank as the price of doing business; you can get a friend to fly top cover with something like a Scythe or Osprey to buff your shields to survive the ganker; you can accept lower yields and fly a tougher ship to discourage the gankers; and more.

Ripard Teg (he of the Jester's Trek blog and the CSM) actually had a few posts this spring which were basically how-to's for both sides of the conflict: how to set up an effective gank, and how to set up an effective counter to a gank. (The short anti-gank strategy: one guy in a jamming ship can screw up a bunch of throwaway gank destroyers.)

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Galaxy Chicken
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#24 - 2013-05-31 14:19:07 UTC
Sorry once again, truly, I think I get it now. Suggesting that you tank your ship, watch d-scan, fly skiffs or other more traditional methods of avoiding a suicide gank is okay, while suggesting that you obey the laws of Highsec is a no no, got it, sorry I was confused, won't happen again.

As a ganker, I can tell you that one of the best ways to avoid a gank from ME is to tank your ship. When I'm soloing, a couple invulnerability fields and a shield extender are enough for me to pass you over, when I'm in a fleet with other gankers though, eh... You should probably just leave.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#25 - 2013-05-31 14:30:42 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Untanas Volmyr wrote:
Once you warp in. Move across to the far opposite side of warp point. Turn around and mine from there. That way your less likely to be targeted maybe. And the odds are you'll spot them first. maybe fit a cloak on there as well. Not sure I don't mine often. GL


I can semi agree with this.
If you warp into an ice belt, target something that is say..120 km away from the warp in. That way you are to close to the warp in for them to warp straight to you using the ice roid, and to far away for them to just burn towards you and get within range.
This way they have to warp in, bookmark a roid close to you, warp out and then back on top of you.
If you are paying attention to local and your overview this should have bought you more then enough time to get out.

Of course there is also the possibility that they use a cloaked scout and just have the fleet warp to said scout that is strategically placed in a way that allows them to warp in on their optimal, in which case you stand little chance.

But this is (again) why you need to always keep an eye on local and stay aligned!
Drag local out so its separate from your other windows, drag it out so you can see everyone, set standings towards people who you know are hostile towards you, and again..do not go afk! Dock up if you need to attend real life stuff Smile


That 120km rock doesnt safe NC.

I will pick an Ice rock tthat is 150 km away and in the same line as you and me.
I then warp to 30 on that new bookmark. Because the bookmark itself is 150km or further away I can warp. This lands me straight onto you.

Also, what is this thing you call RL. EVE = real.


Bah you are completely right! This just proves how long its been since i have done any mining unless i get dragged kicking and screaming from the station Lol
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#26 - 2013-05-31 14:34:23 UTC
just a little tip: when mining in areas with lots of other miners, always remove the exhumers, barges, orcas and freighters from overview, basically anything that's industrial in nature. that way, the only guys that show up on the overview are combat ships. this makes it much easier to see when a potential ganker warps in.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#27 - 2013-05-31 15:22:27 UTC
You should also make sure you stay away from other miners that you don't know. They are often alts that are used as warp ins to land the gankers on top of you. (That or let them get nice and close and keep some friends around in fleet that can warp to you or are cloaked up, and rip the ganker up when he shows up and aggresses).
Caecus Dei
Bishop.
#28 - 2013-05-31 17:12:07 UTC
I thought 0.6 was safe too. He didn't get concorded? You didn't accept a duel with him did you? :P
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-05-31 17:27:02 UTC
Galaxy Chicken wrote:
[...] suggesting that you obey the laws of Highsec is a no no [...]


For the OP, in case there was any confusion:

The "laws of Highsec" in question are the desires of a group of extortionists trying to force others to pay money and feed their egos, enforced through ganks and bumping mechanics. Now some branches of game theory may state that you fare better by submitting to extortion than you would by rejecting it (assuming that the extortionist and victim are operating in a vacuum), but the extortionist fares better than his victim in all cases. Plus, once you've submitted, you're no longer off the radar of a set of gankers. Plus there's the threat of gankers not associated with the extortionists, against which the extortionists provide zero protection.

Counter-strategies as provided in this thread are probably more useful as learning experiences.

For the New Order representative:

There's a reason that the extortion racket got smacked down twice in this thread. There's a difference between behavior enforced through threat and generally accepted laws. And (as an aside) there's a strong correlation between lower-abdominal tomography (CT or MRI) and early detection of cancer of the ego, before it metastasizes to the rest of the brain.

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Kessara Celestine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-05-31 18:09:50 UTC
Caecus Dei wrote:
I thought 0.6 was safe too. He didn't get concorded? You didn't accept a duel with him did you? :P


Caecus, no area of space is really safe, you can have your ship destroyed and podded in 1.0 space. All the 1.0 to 0.5 security status does is ensure the one killing you will be killed by CONCORD but you might already be podded by the time they get there. It does not mean they are not allowed to shoot someone if they want to. Also the reason the OP was killed was because he was in a corp which was at war with several other corps. Killing war targets in high sec does not cause CONCORD to intervene.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-05-31 18:10:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Builder
Caecus Dei wrote:
I thought 0.6 was safe too. He didn't get concorded? You didn't accept a duel with him did you? :P

In the case of the OP, he was attacked by someone at war with his corp.
CONCORD does not intervene in that case.
(And yes, that means that most of the advice in this thread do not apply to the OP's situation, as it was not a suicide gank.)

When your corp gets war-declared, high-sec is no longer safe and you'll have to watch local for war targets.
Mining solo, in a retriever, while not really paying attention is not a smart thing to do - you'll have to treat high-sec just as you would low-sec, except that you can (mostly) ignore the neutrals.

Edit: dam, ninja'd.
Kessara Celestine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-05-31 18:11:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Kessara Celestine
Hahahaha, beat you like by a minute Blink
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-05-31 19:36:07 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
Galaxy Chicken wrote:
[...] suggesting that you obey the laws of Highsec is a no no [...]


For the OP, in case there was any confusion:

The "laws of Highsec" in question are the desires of a group of extortionists trying to force others to pay money and feed their egos, enforced through ganks and bumping mechanics. Now some branches of game theory may state that you fare better by submitting to extortion than you would by rejecting it (assuming that the extortionist and victim are operating in a vacuum), but the extortionist fares better than his victim in all cases. Plus, once you've submitted, you're no longer off the radar of a set of gankers. Plus there's the threat of gankers not associated with the extortionists, against which the extortionists provide zero protection.

Counter-strategies as provided in this thread are probably more useful as learning experiences.

For the New Order representative:

There's a reason that the extortion racket got smacked down twice in this thread. There's a difference between behavior enforced through threat and generally accepted laws. And (as an aside) there's a strong correlation between lower-abdominal tomography (CT or MRI) and early detection of cancer of the ego, before it metastasizes to the rest of the brain.


Anytime you see something listed by someone from the New Order regarding Laws here and there.

Point your finger and start laughing as loud as you can.

The things they call Laws of high-sec is jsut their gameplay that they try to enforce up to people.

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