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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#21 - 2013-05-30 14:52:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
RANDOM, M**********R!, DO YOU GET IT!?

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Ordellus
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-05-30 16:23:47 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I don't assume to know anything about how the game is coded.


Actually you are assuming everything, you know absolutely nothing. It's terrific that you've taken notes, but once again and quite simply, if CCP changed something it would all amount to a pile of crap. Much like what's coming out of your mouth. I appreciate the answer of "nope not happening to me, it's random" , but the egotistical crapfest that is everything else can go.

Tashima wrote:
Dude, I hope I'm misunderstanding you. You are not telling me that everything is true until proven false?


It's easier to understand when you start looking at what's actually written instead of what you want to be written. If I have no evidence that a thing does not exist, that doesn't mean it exists. Therefor, wtf are you talking about?

Dr Agropoly wrote:
being stupid actually makes yourself look smarter.


This seems to be the common mindset for most replies thus far........It's seems in game channels are actually more help than the forums.... I am honestly surprised.

Continue the assumptive rant, please. Just don't expect it to be read.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-05-30 16:40:43 UTC
Ordellus wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I don't assume to know anything about how the game is coded.


Actually you are assuming everything, you know absolutely nothing. It's terrific that you've taken notes, but once again and quite simply, if CCP changed something it would all amount to a pile of crap. Much like what's coming out of your mouth. I appreciate the answer of "nope not happening to me, it's random" , but the egotistical crapfest that is everything else can go.


You really can't read can you? I am assuming nothing. What I can say is that if I look at a large set of data (say 6 months) the salvage has been very consistent.

I can also cherry pick a very small set of data and certainly find situations that match what you have posted about.

Now MAYBE that means that every short string of bad luck I've had is a case where CCP changed something. Nobody knows. But over time the data indicates that it is far more likely that those bumps in the road are simply a string of bad luck.

Now given that, and the comparisons I have made with others who have lived in wormholes longer than I have, I find it FAR more likely that you are hitting a string of bad luck, than a CCP stealth nerf.


But for you I will also leave this

"Nope, not happening to me, it's random"
Haulie Berry
#24 - 2013-05-30 17:09:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Ordellus wrote:
So you are telling me that the watch setting pattern of salvage I received every day over 80ish sites was completely random, and that the equally exact (but much lower isk wise) pattern for the next 20 sites was also random?

I'm not buying it, but I have no proof either way....



Believe it or not, I can find what you just said, almost verbatim, in EVERY post that has EVER been made about a "stealth" change to a random system (usually invention).

The most consistent feature of these posts is that the OP is never willing to accept the possibility that they might be wrong, no matter how many people disagree with them, and no matter how much math is presented.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2846527#post2846527

Sound familiarish? Lol

And, finally, the really obvious thing you skipped right over:

Quote:
Anyone else getting a major drop is sleeper salvage the past day or two?

Was making 25-40 million per hour.....now about 9.


If the salvage rate were ACTUALLY nerfed - that is, the supply of sleeper salvage has actually decreased - you would not simply drop from making 25-40 million an hour to making 9. You would be getting less salvage, yes... but so would EVERYONE else in the game. The end result is that the decreased supply, in relation to the relatively unchanged demand, would result in an increase in the price of the salvage.

Has that happened? Is there any economic indication, at all, that the supply of salvage coming into the universe has decreased? If there isn't, guess what: You've just been unlucky lately.
Priscilla Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-05-30 17:33:19 UTC
**** it's getting intense in here
Torshawna
Dutch Rudder Trading Company
#26 - 2013-05-30 18:15:48 UTC
Ordellus wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I don't assume to know anything about how the game is coded.


Actually you are assuming everything, you know absolutely nothing. It's terrific that you've taken notes, but once again and quite simply, if CCP changed something it would all amount to a pile of crap. Much like what's coming out of your mouth. I appreciate the answer of "nope not happening to me, it's random" , but the egotistical crapfest that is everything else can go.

Tashima wrote:
Dude, I hope I'm misunderstanding you. You are not telling me that everything is true until proven false?


It's easier to understand when you start looking at what's actually written instead of what you want to be written. If I have no evidence that a thing does not exist, that doesn't mean it exists. Therefor, wtf are you talking about?

Dr Agropoly wrote:
being stupid actually makes yourself look smarter.


This seems to be the common mindset for most replies thus far........It's seems in game channels are actually more help than the forums.... I am honestly surprised.

Continue the assumptive rant, please. Just don't expect it to be read.




Keep talking like this in Bob's Holy Temple and he might smite you with his wrath, making your sleeper drops.... (wait for it) .... RANDOM!!!
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-05-30 18:59:43 UTC
Priscilla Orti wrote:
**** it's getting intense in here



Quit stalking me...
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-05-31 11:52:35 UTC
Well, this escalated quickly

Resident forum troll and fashion consultant
Tashima
Clandestine Services
#29 - 2013-05-31 12:18:51 UTC
Ordellus wrote:
Tashima wrote:
Dude, I hope I'm misunderstanding you. You are not telling me that everything is true until proven false?


It's easier to understand when you start looking at what's actually written instead of what you want to be written. If I have no evidence that a thing does not exist, that doesn't mean it exists. Therefor, wtf are you talking about?

You still don't get it. Normally one talk about evidence for the existence of something. Talk about "evidence that a thing does not exist" is nonsense.

But you are right, you are just stating the reason why we should not believe in the Easter Bunny.
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#30 - 2013-05-31 12:24:19 UTC
Nathan Jameson wrote:
I think the OP might be on to something here. I shot one Sleeper battleship, and it dropped two nanoribbons. Then I shot a second one, and it dropped zero.


LIES I tell you!! Lies!! I shot one sleeper and nothing dropped. Then I shot a second one and 2 nanoribbons dropped. Not that same so he lies!!





Or could it just be random??
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#31 - 2013-05-31 16:22:01 UTC
I ran a ladar once. Dropped 9 nanoribbons. Ran a c1 site, no ribbons.

Then I killed a noctis. 87 nanoribbons.

Random is random man.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-05-31 16:26:11 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
I ran a ladar once. Dropped 9 nanoribbons. Ran a c1 site, no ribbons.

Then I killed a noctis. 87 nanoribbons.

Random is random man.


I swear running Noctis sites is by far the most profitable. 2 torp volleys, 100mil.
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#33 - 2013-05-31 17:18:25 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
I ran a ladar once. Dropped 9 nanoribbons. Ran a c1 site, no ribbons.

Then I killed a noctis. 87 nanoribbons.

Random is random man.


I swear running Noctis sites is by far the most profitable. 2 torp volleys, 100mil.


Also cuts down on ammo costs! 2 volleys compared to 80+ to finish a site is way cheaper.

Unless you're using lasers. Still cheap though.
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#34 - 2013-05-31 17:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Onomerous
Hopefully Odyssey will have a function to make finding Noctis sites easier!!
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-05-31 20:58:24 UTC
Nathan Jameson wrote:
I think the OP might be on to something here. I shot one Sleeper battleship, and it dropped two nanoribbons. Then I shot a second one, and it dropped zero.


hahahaha 10/10 you made me spit out my milk
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-05-31 21:58:32 UTC
Oxandrolone wrote:
Nathan Jameson wrote:
I think the OP might be on to something here. I shot one Sleeper battleship, and it dropped two nanoribbons. Then I shot a second one, and it dropped zero.


hahahaha 10/10 you made me spit out my milk



Love it. OP; you're hopeless. Random is random. Sorry we weren't "helpful" enough.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#37 - 2013-05-31 23:24:36 UTC
Oxandrolone wrote:
Nathan Jameson wrote:
I think the OP might be on to something here. I shot one Sleeper battleship, and it dropped two nanoribbons. Then I shot a second one, and it dropped zero.


hahahaha 10/10 you made me spit out my milk


I aim to please. Cool

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Marsan
#38 - 2013-06-01 00:24:40 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
I ran a ladar once. Dropped 9 nanoribbons. Ran a c1 site, no ribbons.

Then I killed a noctis. 87 nanoribbons.

Random is random man.


I swear running Noctis sites is by far the most profitable. 2 torp volleys, 100mil.



I had a week where I was averaging 3-4 ribbons a ladar site. Maybe I should have posted one of these threads....

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
#39 - 2013-06-01 10:29:18 UTC
I think something went wrong here. OP made 25 M/h, so he obviously cannot have shot anything that could drop Ribbons. Sure you didn´t jump through a hole and are now shooting red crosses in J-ITA ( it´s not a WH just because it starts with a J). I heard the ribbondrops are pretty crap there unless you find a RMTer .
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#40 - 2013-06-01 10:44:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
I ran a ladar once. Dropped 9 nanoribbons. Ran a c1 site, no ribbons.

Then I killed a noctis. 87 nanoribbons.

Random is random man.


I swear running Noctis sites is by far the most profitable. 2 torp volleys, 100mil.



Still hard to believe that people don't fit the 800plate and 2 resistmods it can fit.

And agree, random is random. Ran 6 (I believe) c2 anoms (cane+oracle) over an hour and made around 150mil in total. One anom was half the total.
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