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T2 BPO nerf incoming?

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#21 - 2013-05-31 16:12:46 UTC
Oh hai. This thread again.

Yes, t2 BPOs are an unfair advantage. No, they are not an insurmountable advantage.

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#22 - 2013-05-31 16:21:52 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Someone is selling off their BPO collection. WHAT COULD IT MEAN!?!?!?!?!1?!?11?ELEVEN

It's like an internet-space double-rainbow.Roll


there are already 2 dudes selling ridiculous amount of T2 BPOs already. Rumors say something about invention buff, which is welcome by all means.
Haulie Berry
#23 - 2013-05-31 16:44:59 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Someone is selling off their BPO collection. WHAT COULD IT MEAN!?!?!?!?!1?!?11?ELEVEN

It's like an internet-space double-rainbow.Roll


there are already 2 dudes selling ridiculous amount of T2 BPOs already. Rumors say something about invention buff, which is welcome by all means.


Pretty sure they're just talking about the new decryptors (which are not a unilateral invention buff) and maybe the POS tweaks. Anything that actually unilaterally "buffs" invention would be pretty unlikely to actually buff invention income, and could easily have the opposite effect.
Lyza Kimbo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-05-31 16:47:41 UTC
Oh gods have mercy, this again.

I do remember being severely annoyed when the T2 BPO lottery ended, because I had just gotten my skills trained up to participate. But I wouldn't call it unfair, or at least no more unfair than usual.

Eve is Eve, and sometimes you get bent over and cornholed. There's nothing you can do about it except try to make sure you're pitching next time instead of catching.

You pay attention to the dev blogs, which are usually linked in the launcher, (the only use for the bloody annoying damned thing, in my opinion), and you keep your head up for impending changes. You learn to check your six. Hello Kitty's Online Adventure this is not.
Haulie Berry
#25 - 2013-05-31 16:50:22 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Oh hai. This thread again.

Yes, t2 BPOs are an unfair advantage. No, they are not an insurmountable advantage.


No, they're really not an unfair advantage.

Hell, at the net asset value of most players, the dumbest thing you can do with a T2 BPO is to actually possess one.
Ginger Barbarella
#26 - 2013-05-31 17:48:06 UTC
Posting in a stealth "Eliminate all T2 BPO's!" thread...

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-05-31 19:40:25 UTC
I've always been against static content, BPOs included. I still have vivid memories of Cap Recharger II's at 20m each. Anyway, invention isn't so hard, and I don't see why we can't have ALL T2 content dynamic and created by the player base through invention.

And a 10 year ROI? What can I say? You could get run over by a bus tomorrow.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-05-31 19:41:10 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Oh hai. This thread again.

Yes, t2 BPOs are an unfair advantage. No, they are not an insurmountable advantage.


No, they're really not an unfair advantage.

Hell, at the net asset value of most players, the dumbest thing you can do with a T2 BPO is to actually possess one.


Sooooooo, what you're saying is, "sure, get rid of them, I couldn't care less".
Haulie Berry
#29 - 2013-05-31 20:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Victoria Sin wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Oh hai. This thread again.

Yes, t2 BPOs are an unfair advantage. No, they are not an insurmountable advantage.


No, they're really not an unfair advantage.

Hell, at the net asset value of most players, the dumbest thing you can do with a T2 BPO is to actually possess one.


Sooooooo, what you're saying is, "sure, get rid of them, I couldn't care less".


I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse, of if you're actually this ******* stupid for realsies.

The reason that it is dumb for most low-NAV players to possess them is because they're one of the lowest returning investments in the game. Someone making poor use of their money doesn't make it okay to simply delete their investment instrument, and the value it is presently storing.

How about we delete your entire NAV instead, just, y'know, because? I mean, why not? Is the game going to suffer if all of your assets are arbitrarily deleted at the behest of another player? I doubt it would. Plus, it would be funny to watch!

What? You're not okay with that?

About the only thing that the arbitrary and unnecessary deletion of trillions in asset value would do is completely torpedo the integrity of the game as a whole. If we can start stripping away assets for no legitimate gameplay reason, your assets are on the block, too.

Since you're so keen on the idea, we should probably start with yours, right?

It's pretty easy to be cavalier about handwaving away other people's work, so here's a modest proposal: Don't like T2 BPOs? Buy them and delete them yourself. Not willing to eat the loss? Then **** off, because T2 BPOs are WAY beneath entitled parasites who think the game should be made "fair" for them on the list of things that are wrong around here.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#30 - 2013-05-31 21:24:21 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Here we go again

gets popcorn.


Deja'Vue
Ginger Barbarella
#31 - 2013-05-31 22:40:02 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
It's pretty easy to be cavalier about handwaving away other people's work


Remarkably easy for those of a certain political/social lean, and for those that think the world owes them something. Like math, having to actually WORK for something is hard.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
#32 - 2013-06-01 02:32:21 UTC
This is hilarious.

Somebody asks "hey, a bunch of people are selling T2 BPOs, did they realize something?"

The collective forum immune system launches into the usual, reflexive, mindless "oh god not this thread again" claptrap.

It takes an entire page of posts for someone to point out invention is being buffed with additional decryptors.

Groupthink much?
James 420
EVE Corporation 98188875
#33 - 2013-06-01 05:00:28 UTC
REMOVE T2 BPOS FROM THE PREMISES

Proud enforcer of 420 BLAZE IT

Haulie Berry
#34 - 2013-06-01 06:31:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Kethas Protagonist wrote:
This is hilarious.

Somebody asks "hey, a bunch of people are selling T2 BPOs, did they realize something?"

The collective forum immune system launches into the usual, reflexive, mindless "oh god not this thread again" claptrap.

It takes an entire page of posts for someone to point out invention is being buffed with additional decryptors.

Groupthink much?

Except it reallly is the same old thread, and the decyptors are completely uninteresting with respect to the bulk of invention, at least with respect to why Grendell, et al, would be selling off BPOs.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-06-01 09:41:13 UTC
Kethas Protagonist wrote:
It takes an entire page of posts for someone to point out invention is being buffed with additional decryptors.

Groupthink much?


The only thing the new decryptors are likely to do is give more options when inventing larger ships. Unless they're common as dirt and hence cheap as dirt, they'll still likely be uneconomical to use in module and ammo invention.

Options, yes. General invention buff, not really.
Haulie Berry
#36 - 2013-06-01 15:19:48 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Kethas Protagonist wrote:
It takes an entire page of posts for someone to point out invention is being buffed with additional decryptors.

Groupthink much?


The only thing the new decryptors are likely to do is give more options when inventing larger ships. Unless they're common as dirt and hence cheap as dirt, they'll still likely be uneconomical to use in module and ammo invention.

Options, yes. General invention buff, not really.


Yep - and the scanning (and stuff) devblog said one of them would be as common as current, and the other two would be rarer.
Shadow Lord77
Shadow Industries I
#37 - 2013-06-01 16:45:56 UTC
My suspicions is that the economics guy at CCP recommended to leave in the T2 BPOs in the game to see what effect they'd have on the market.
Lyza Kimbo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-06-01 16:56:20 UTC
Kethas Protagonist wrote:
This is hilarious.

Somebody asks "hey, a bunch of people are selling T2 BPOs, did they realize something?"

The collective forum immune system launches into the usual, reflexive, mindless "oh god not this thread again" claptrap.

It takes an entire page of posts for someone to point out invention is being buffed with additional decryptors.

Groupthink much?


No. If you understood the concept of groupthink, you'd realize that the fact someone in the group did point out the decryptors issue means it's not groupthink.

How about you get down off your high horse and quit sneering at the community, hmm? We all have feet of clay here, that's a given. Quit pretending like your toes are made of shining ivory.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-06-01 17:00:11 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:

I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse, of if you're actually this ******* stupid for realsies.


Not beyond the wit of CCP to refund the value of each BPO to the person holding it. There are various ways of determining the price that I won't go in to.

Is that not obtuse enough for you?


Haulie Berry
#40 - 2013-06-01 17:43:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Victoria Sin wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:

I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse, of if you're actually this ******* stupid for realsies.


Not beyond the wit of CCP to refund the value of each BPO to the person holding it. There are various ways of determining the price that I won't go in to.

Is that not obtuse enough for you?




Yeah... and the Fed could have just printed a bunch of money and used it to pay off everyone's mortgages during the housing crisis. Lol

This is actually worse.

You're basically saying, "Hey, you know those T2 BPOs? Yeah, let's get rid of those, and handwave trillions and trillions of Isk into existence in their place. That will be better than the BPOs, which we already know aren't having any detrimental impact on the economy, because my butthurt about BPOs exceeds my actual desire for a healthy economy by several orders of magnitude."

They could maybe, MAYBE get away with using confiscated isk for it. Maybe. I somehow doubt they've confiscated enough, and it's only marginally better because that's still blinking a ton of isk into the economy that is not currently there.

So: Harmless BPOs Vs. metric asston of new isk blinked into existence.

Gosh, tough call. Roll