EVE General Discussion

wow this blew up quick.
re-fire rate for the "406" was slow why????
because it was still being done by men not an auto-load system come on really, why even go there lol

someone noted that i was counting the mains by number of barrels.

First that's the way it was done I R L.
each gun could be fired independently (and as such its own separate system ) with the only real restriction being the fact that it was in a turret with 2 other guns.
Second although the 2 D drawings of weapons such as the 425 mm Large rail gun show 3 gun barrels (which would in reality mean 3 guns in a single turret) the actual render is still that of a single barrel single gun system.



Battleships by design were meant to go toe to toe with any other surface warship (not carriers at fighter distance obviously)

They did not fear gangs (lol battle groups/ fleets, whatever) of smaller vessels unless they were armed with torpedoes because,.....they couldn't touch them
(armor was to thick, and the hell they were throwing right back was insane). The number of secondary weapons SPECIFICALLY meant to deal with smaller vessels was High (double in the case of the mighty MO, i'm only counting the 127 mm as the others were AA for the most part)

All of the line warships should have some form of secondary armaments.
Battleships and above represent something more than what they are right now...1 just one should instill terror and fear in small fleets. Your first instinct should be to run from it, not laugh and kill it

damn gotta go again. later folks, thanks for the replies. nice history lessons.

To answer this question correctly we must learn a little of the EvE histories:

Once apron (in 2003 they hadn't invented the word upon yet) a time long long ago (2003) the EvE universe was fun and new and normal. CCP still had a "vision" that they were sticking to, battleships were rare, and Jita was still a backwater hick system.

I had just trained up cruisers, mined the materials (had to push ore up hills both ways back then too) for a friend to build me a brand new Thorax and headed out into Zero Zero space (named apparently for the number of people you would find out there).

Anyway after getting owned by some really nasty rats I figured I would GTFO of of there and go back to empire. So I spend an hour or so jumping and mwding a hundred or so jumps back to empire, when on the very last gate after FD-MJL I see my first battleship ever, a minny typhoon class. Assuming the pilot, a certain DrFeelGood of m0o corporation was a fellow intrepid explorer I continued on my merry way with a quick 0/.

Next thing I know he locks onto my ship with hardly any delay and despite my being a few hundred metres away and zipping along at hundreds of metres per second at a 90 degree angle his first salvo wrcks the fugg out my boat with pinpoint accuracy blowing half my stern off. I start spinning out of control, pooping in my pod water when I hear the glorious sound of a gate activation and I jump to safe space.

Short story - people whined and whinged so much that their sub million isk frigates and sub 10 million isk cruisers got killed too easily by 100 million battleships instalocking and instapopping them that they got nerfed to shite. You didnt need point defense because you could kill small shite with your main guns.

Undock a titan and slowboat around in open space and see what happens =)

I agree they should find it hard to hit smaller targets but I think when they do hit they should really obliterate them, not hit for crap. The "size of the shell / explosion is bigger than the ship so it doesn't do full damage' argument is horsecrap.

Drop a 14,000lb bomb on a Prius and tell me that Prius doesn't take full damage...

just like the first ship with a gun made every Bow equipped ship obsolete,..or the first man with a metal weapon made most stick wielding rock throwing noobs obsolete.

Metal ships were already in existence by the time of that fight. HMS Nemisis 1839 and HMS Warrior(1861 ish) were among the first metal plated or metal warships. The monitor was very important because of the turret. Took a bit though before they were incorporated.

Most influential,..pfft im not sold.

You missed a Large part of the point.
nice hack job too.
point was a ship the size of a Coercer carried far more armaments than our super sized Eve warships.
the simple fact that even one eve gun (and its more than one lol ) are similar in size to WW2 components tells me our ships are WAY under gunned.

The fact that Auto cannons and arty are huge doesn't really change anything. facts are these ships are weaker than they should be.

800mm existed. it was german arty on a train =p do we even need to figure out how small a train car is ....I think not

Regarding the under-gunned thing. Its a bit tough because its a fictional environment but size of the ship and size of the gun are not necessarily connected.

I mean generally tech is pushed to its limits but its also rationalized that if you can build multiple somethings that is sufficient for destroying another unit then that's better then building one that will obliterate a unit but suffer consequences of less of those things and the additional issues that crop up.

The Japanese and Germans in WW2 were great at building huge cutting edge monster ships with huge monster guns but they would have been better building multiple smaller units like the Americans and English. Yamato was great but it got pwned by smaller cheaper ships. Tirpitz and Bismark were awesome but they got pwned too. Had the Germans churned out a few hundred more uboats instead of those two ships they probably would have defeated England before US got involved.

TL;DR

Maybe because the guns are sufficient to destroy other ships, and are balanced around tracking / cap penalties they're superior to huge monster gunned ships that would track like crap and blow half the ships cap for a few shot n probably miss.

Eve ≠ real life.

Also, balance.

So did your mom, lol. Joking.


Also, what is more important battles or wars?
Just because something is mechanically superior doesn't make the entity superior. Our tanks where out matched in world war 2 I believe as well.

Oh yes they were sooo superior,....that's why they reside on the ocean bottom. Big Mo and her sisters were still rockin an rollin even into the 1990's,....and your superior ships were where,....oh yea rusting on the ocean floor. Up until this moment I wasn't chanting USA or" Mericuh! F**k yeah".

I had some knowledge of the ship, I used it because it was a survivor.
In that way I didn't have losers pointing out the fact that my example was,...rusting on the bottom of the ocean.
Instead I have some anti American BULLS**T to deal with.
Like it or not, ALL Axis owned Battleships are inferior to the Iowa class, why because they got sunk.

so,..... Mericuh! F**k yeah

Until someone builds a battleship that can and does sink an Iowa, all y'all just got owned.