Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You dont like what CCP is doing vote with your wallet. It is a company and therefore it operates under certain rules that brings it profit. The faster can someone speed their training and reach his personal objective thats bad for business. Since the person reached his personal endgame usualy. If they would return sp people would just invest them to somewehre else what they would like to fly and therefore immidiately achieve the objective. When someone reaches his personal endgame either he stops playing or limits his playtime for another things. So therfore its not in ccp interests to do that. If you want some game change ask yourself how much could game company loose on that change and there will be your answer if the particular change will happen or not.

CCP are making racial cross training in the Cap range easier.
CCP have Buffed the Phoenix a bit.
CCP have indicated they are actively working on a more complete overhaul of all dreads and this is simply a short term measure they can take while they work on a longer term fix.

Even ignoring CCP's standard skill policy, all three of these are very good reasons not to refund Capital missile skills.

From another perspective and using the perfectly valid concept you mentioned that CCP gets the most business from a player while working towards an endgame - they need to consider very carefully changes to the game that affect how invested players are in working towards an endgame and changes that ostensibly waste someones efforts for reasons outside of emergent gameplay tends to turn players away from investing too much into long term plans.

You can't take it in a given with a game that has the nature of Eve that someone who has fully trained up the Nag will have any interest in training up the Phoenix - while theres a good proportion of flavor of the month players theres also a good proportion of players who are as invested in enjoyment for specific ships as they are in the rewards of using them. I spent a lot of time and effort into training up for a thanatos first (and archon second) even tho my main interest in carriers is triage and the archon is by far the better triage carrier because the thanatos captures my imagination and the archon just leaves me cold.

The end result is a reasonable proportion of players are going to be increasingly more wary of investing time in long term plans in Eve for fear that changes CCP makes will leave them disadvantaged this isn't good for the health of the game or CCP's wallet and my motiviation for posting in this thread - I don't care personally whether citadel missile SP specifically is reimbursed or not but the overall issue here especially with the changes (many of them very good changes) that are coming with odessey and further patches/expansions are going to have a much bigger impact on this than just some ships becoming a bit less useful than they used to be. I'm not even saying automatic skillpoint reimbursement is the solution here but that its something that should be looked at again rather than blindly applying some rigid legacy policy - that granted applies very well for the most part. My personal opinion is that applying it in a situation where a player has to extensively retrain to make use of a skill they formerly could use is a failing its not really any different than changing the skill requirements of ships and then telling players its tough if you can't fly that ship any more without training new skills.

But they are also changing the ease of which to cross train capitals...

You no longer need BS V, only BS IV. So cross training to the Pheonix would take a very short time (a week for Dread IV).

I honestly see this as a going back for seconds when it's already getting a solid change!

Why is this so suprising? :P

Yep. I wanted a maxed out Nag. I had it. Then I went afk for a couple years to finish my degree and when I come back, I can't use 'em anymore.



This is utter rubbish, as this change has zero effect on how much money I have paid CCP. It only affects how useful my character is as a result of those payments.