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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#101 - 2013-05-31 01:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Adunh Slavy wrote:
I'll note your omission, "many new players can't find corps". Your phrasing implies ALL NEWBIES. Which I clearly did not say.

That makes you a liar.


My phrasing implies no such thing. Would you like to find where I claimed that you said "all newbies."

On the other hand, your defense based solely on your use of weasel words implies that you don't have any evidence for the statements you're making.

And again, BNI, E-Uni, and many other newbie friendly corps continue to allow newbies to join without collapsing. So, if you're worried about getting a newbie into a corp, send them over there if you're unwilling to help them yourself.

Regardless, you claimed that '[some number of] newbies cannot get into corps.' You further claimed that this was due to the possibility of AWOXing. The fact that BNI, E-Uni, et al. continue to thrive while accepting newbies shows how full of **** those claims are.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Adunh Slavy
#102 - 2013-05-31 02:26:29 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
My phrasing implies no such thing. Would you like to find where I claimed that you said "all newbies."


Yep, by your omission of the qualifier "many", as already stated.

If you say "cows are brown" this is a false statement since not all cows are brown. If you say "many cows are brown" then that is not a false statement. If I turn around and claim that you said "cows are brown", I am implying you meant all cows are brown.

I said "many" for a specific reason, you omitted it, you misquoted, on purpose, thus you're a liar, deal with it.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#103 - 2013-05-31 03:21:17 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Adunh Slavy wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
My phrasing implies no such thing. Would you like to find where I claimed that you said "all newbies."


Yep, by your omission of the qualifier "many", as already stated.

If you say "cows are brown" this is a false statement since not all cows are brown. If you say "many cows are brown" then that is not a false statement. If I turn around and claim that you said "cows are brown", I am implying you meant all cows are brown.

I said "many" for a specific reason, you omitted it, you misquoted, on purpose, thus you're a liar, deal with it.


So now I did it on purpose? And you're accusing me of lying, which implies some level of malice. Time to show proof of either.
When I want to quote someone, I use the quotation feature. When I want to paraphrase, I use quotation marks to show that what I'm typing is not my idea.

However you want to take it (aside the fact that your use of the weasel word "many" renders the statement meaningless), I invite you to continue reading the post you just quoted (this time using special single quotes to make sure you don't get supermad):

And again, BNI, E-Uni, and many other newbie friendly corps continue to allow newbies to join without collapsing. So, if you're worried about getting a newbie into a corp, send them over there if you're unwilling to help them yourself.

Regardless, you claimed that '[some number of] newbies cannot get into corps.' You further claimed that this was due to the possibility of AWOXing. The fact that BNI, E-Uni, et al. continue to thrive while accepting newbies shows how full of **** those claims are.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Adunh Slavy
#104 - 2013-05-31 03:34:13 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


However you want to take it (aside the fact that your use of the weasel word "many" renders the statement meaningless), I invite you to continue reading the post you just quoted (this time using special single quotes to make sure you don't get supermad):



ROFL. If you reading comprehension is that bad, not much I can do for ya.

You keep on defending a 'feature' used for ass hats. That speaks for it self.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#105 - 2013-05-31 03:43:10 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Adunh Slavy wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


However you want to take it (aside the fact that your use of the weasel word "many" renders the statement meaningless), I invite you to continue reading the post you just quoted (this time using special single quotes to make sure you don't get supermad):



ROFL. If you reading comprehension is that bad, not much I can do for ya.

You keep on defending a 'feature' used for ass hats. That speaks for it self.



Why are they "ass hats" for taking an exposed queen? I'll remind you that CCP Solomon (the wise) has said that "the ability to ruin someone's day" is the "cornerstone" on which EVE is built.

"Trust" implies that there is the possibility of someone behaving otherwise. You can't "trust" someone not to AWOX you if the game mechanics prevent them from AWOXing.

You're asking for corp membership to not require trust. Your stated reason is to help newbies who can't otherwise get into corps and then leave the game. The existance of newbie friendly corps (and, incidentally, the ease with which AWOXers can get into random scrub corps) shows that that problem simply doesn't exist.

So why shouldn't corp membership require trust?


As for reading comprehension:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3111138#post3111138
Adunh Slavy wrote:
And CCP wonders why so many new players can't find corps and leave the game after a few months.

Forcing trust is not a good mechanic, let the awoxer earn his right, not just be handed to him.


Bold is your claim that [some number of] new players can't find corps.
Underlined is your claim that this leads them to leave the game.
And the Topic of the thread is Awoxing, which means that you're either claiming that AWOXing is causing the above, or you're just posting a series of non-sequitorial statements.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#106 - 2013-05-31 04:16:10 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
You're asking for corp membership to not require trust. Your stated reason is to help newbies who can't otherwise get into corps and then leave the game. The existance of newbie friendly corps (and, incidentally, the ease with which AWOXers can get into random scrub corps) shows that that problem simply doesn't exist.


And even if awoxing was removed so that people can build up their newbie tax farms, the real corps would still have other concerns about recruiting randoms that would not be eliminated through removing awoxing. So it doesn't actually solve a problem and it ultimately just removes legitimate gameplay.

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#107 - 2013-06-02 01:00:08 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:

....
You're right, at the end of the day this is just a video game.
....


Followed by a description of lots of effort that isn't all that much fun.

It's a game, not a job.


Did you even read the descriptions? It's how maybe a Corp might not lose a Corp to an awoxer. But, hey if it's too much effort for you, don't do it.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#108 - 2013-06-02 01:31:56 UTC
Digital Messiah wrote:


Forgot to mention that you should try awoxing sometime. Get a feel for it. If you are one of those players who would rather not because of moral issues, then perhaps try it on a Corp that is one of your competitors; at least that way you have a reason for awoxing them.

There are several ways to go about an awox depending on what you want/who you are. I'm assuming you would rather not go too extreme so why not ransom their ships and let them go if they meet the ransom. This is typically the way I would go with it unless I just really don't like them. The alternative is of course ransoming for isk, receiving it (if they decide to pay) and blow them up anyways; a double whammy. And again if the Corp is your competitor, you should have the mindset as it's all fair game, because odds are they would do it to you if giving the choice, or opportunity.

Regardless, you'll gain some isk and set your competition back by a little bit as well. As well as gain some insight on the life of an awoxer. It's win, win.

Contact me in game if you're interested and I'll try to help point you in the right direction.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet