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iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#21 - 2013-05-30 23:01:30 UTC
demand : do not arrive at the quarters of Diana Kim without prior authorisation.
threat : DUST mercs can, and will, shoot you in the face.

Seems like a valid ultimatum to me.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Arthas Romanov
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-05-30 23:01:54 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
Chivalry does not become the Caldari, Stitcher. Let her hang with the rest of her Provist cronies.



For the glory of the true state. My message was received loud and clear, i feel no need to send it again. I have no interest in physically interacting with miss kim again

The facism of the state can only be cleansed from within.

Hamish Grayson
#23 - 2013-05-30 23:15:08 UTC
No single capsuleer did more harm to the Provist movement than pilot Diana Kim. If a CEP loyalist is sends something to her quarters it should be a bottle of spiced wine.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#24 - 2013-05-30 23:24:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
I have been disrespectful to Kim-haani in the past, as all I saw were Provist loyalties.

Kim-haani, you have my apologies for this disservice. While we disagree on many things, your dedication -- even to the point of seemingly inviting injury -- does you honor.

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TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#25 - 2013-05-30 23:32:58 UTC
I commend your actions Stitcher, in these troubling times regarding Kim-haani security
Vikarion
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-05-30 23:58:38 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
I brought her help when Arthas Whatshisname left her for dead. Don't complain, Andreus. I'd have done the same thing for you.


They are two peas in a pod, aren't they?
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#27 - 2013-05-31 00:03:02 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
I have been disrespectful to Kim-haani in the past, as all I saw were Provist loyalties.

Kim-haani, you have my apologies for this disservice. While we disagree on many things, your dedication -- even to the point of seemingly inviting injury -- does you honor.


Never apologize for your principles, or beliefs, or what is not your fault. In this case, don't apologize for your beliefs.

Verin, ask Miss. Kim if I may visit her at some point. I would like to have a conversation with her if she agrees.

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#28 - 2013-05-31 00:14:12 UTC
BloodBird wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
I have been disrespectful to Kim-haani in the past, as all I saw were Provist loyalties.

Kim-haani, you have my apologies for this disservice. While we disagree on many things, your dedication -- even to the point of seemingly inviting injury -- does you honor.


Never apologize for your principles, or beliefs, or what is not your fault. In this case, don't apologize for your beliefs.

Verin, ask Miss. Kim if I may visit her at some point. I would like to have a conversation with her if she agrees.



If you look closely and exercise basic reading skills she was apologizing for her actions as far as disrespecting Diana Kim. Not apologizing for principles, beliefs, or anything else.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#29 - 2013-05-31 00:27:43 UTC
BloodBird wrote:


Never apologize for your principles, or beliefs, or what is not your fault. In this case, don't apologize for your beliefs.



BloodBird;



As Ms. Polevhia noted, I apologize not for my beliefs, but for being disrespectful of another person on basis of their beliefs. My beliefs remain strong. My disrespect toward Kim-haani, however, does not reflect well on me. While I disagree with Kim-haani fiercely on a number of things, I should have had greater respect for her dedication to her beliefs, all else aside.

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Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#30 - 2013-05-31 00:54:03 UTC
The sceptic in me wonders if this truly is altruism or if you don't have another motive Verin, personally I hope if anything Captain Kim can learn to respect those who hold viewpoints different to her own after this.


However the sceptic in me is irrelevant to the appreciation of chivalry and humanitarianism shown. I disagree with many of Captain Kim's views and have no fondness for her what-so-ever. But it takes a strong person to be the better man and help those in need, even if they need saving from themselves.


Respect to you Captain Hatakain, not for the first time and most likely not the last either.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-05-31 00:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Makoto Priano wrote:
As Ms. Polevhia noted, I apologize not for my beliefs, but for being disrespectful of another person on basis of their beliefs. My beliefs remain strong. My disrespect toward Kim-haani, however, does not reflect well on me. While I disagree with Kim-haani fiercely on a number of things, I should have had greater respect for her dedication to her beliefs, all else aside.


Hmm... I''m not sure whether to agree with that or not. It's a principle of mine that all of my beliefs are subject to revision in light of evidence. But at the same time I can't imagine ever being dissuaded of that principle.

The thing is, I think that devoting yourself to a cause larger than yourself is an important component in a sense of well-being, and you can't get the full impact of that unless you're truly committed to something you genuinely believe in. But persons are not causes. People collectively can be a cause and I've found that the wider I cast my net - the more people my cause encompasses - the more room I have had to think, to move and to act, and I feel all the more content for it.

Diana's problem is that her cause is one man. And that's a smaller cause than herself.

She asked me tonight if I wanted to harm Tibus Heth, and was delighted when I said "no". It was literally the only thing that lifted her mood.

I don't think I can adequately express how much that saddened me. She's latched on to a man who's not worthy of her and who probably doesn't even know she exists.

But who am I to tell her to whom she should be devoted? I don't have that right. No matter how much I may disagree with her decisions, I know the limits of what my ethics will permit. I'll prevent and mend harm, but cause none myself. At least, so far as my patient is concerned.

I don't think I can respect her dedication, considering where it lies. It's too narrow, too small, and too damaging. There's nothing noble about that that I can see. But devotion to a greater good is absolutely a virtue.

I'll have to think long and hard about where the transition is...

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#32 - 2013-05-31 01:08:25 UTC
Kim-haani is devoted to a cause - the unity and security of the Caldari people. She feels that Tibus Heth represents our best chance at that.

Thank you for providing this help to her, suuolo. If anything, you show her that there is more unity amongst we Caldari than may be otherwise suspected.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#33 - 2013-05-31 01:44:39 UTC
Hakatain-haan;

Do we not honor the noble fool who strives for the sake of duty and loyalty even when the cause is lost, when loyalty is misplaced? We can think what we like of Heth -- but what if a person like Kim-haani showed loyalty to the memory of Gariushi, or the Empress Jamyl, or Blaque's Eagles? Even if we disagree with the cause, I feel that I should pay some respect to the nobility of duty itself.

Surely, the wise man who sees the path, and learns how it may meander best toward its end, is even worthier yet -- but this does not lessen the honor of the noble fool.

Before, I saw merely the fool; now I see the noble fool, and must give respect for that nobility.

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James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#34 - 2013-05-31 01:45:09 UTC
Diana Kim is a.... person with whom many disagree.

Her opinions are often offensive.

I cannot however find fault in Msr. Stitcher impulse to protect her, regardless of her real or imagined faults.

Yes we should be held to account, but surely we must make room for redemption and perhaps forgiveness.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-05-31 04:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Or you know, she could just lock her door...

Those station doors are extremely durable. Despite constant 24/7 contamination of some sort (I imagine rouge nano-bots eating away at everything) in certain public areas, the doors never fail.

On a more serious note, Diana Kim, while a loudmouthed and wrong about pretty much everything, hasn't done anything inherently wrong, I was actually quite troubled hearing that someone attempted to kill her. I feel that she is more misguided rather than completely deranged. Her article on why she thought freedom of speech is bad was actually rather well written and intelligently thought out, if completely inaccurate and totally contrary to my opinion. She act's a lot more professional in person than on the IGS. I tried to arrange an interview with her and while she declined, she was rather polite about it.

Basically, I think it's a little over the top to dedicate an entire team of mercenaries for her protection, but if she feels unsafe and that she could use the extra protection for a little bit I can't blame her.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Vikarion
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-05-31 06:21:25 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
...I imagine rouge nano-bots eating away at everything) in certain public areas, the doors never...


I, too, imagine rouge nanobots. They appear to have had their way with your face.
Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#37 - 2013-05-31 15:27:59 UTC
Her unwavering hatred of all things Gallente and blind devotion to a single man is discouraging and frustrating from my point of view. However, as much as I disagree with her, I respect the fact that she is entitled to have an opinion, to have a conviction, and to act accordingly.

While I believe she needs to accept the consequences for her statements and actions, I do find it unfortunate that she must be placed under protection because of her statements. I believe we all have the right to voice an opinion and though I believe she is wrong, I would fight for her right to be allowed to express her opinion. I only wish she would remove the blinders and think for herself rather than blindly accepting another person's doctrine as absolute truth.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-05-31 15:45:44 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
...I imagine rouge nano-bots eating away at everything) in certain public areas, the doors never...


I, too, imagine rouge nanobots. They appear to have had their way with your face.



Har-dee-har, good one kind sir!

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-06-01 07:53:48 UTC
At first, I would like to note, that I do not require any 'help'.
If I will have any of problems, they are my and my only, and I will strongly discourage you from discussing them, unless you want to have your own problems.

As for the guards at my door, I am not going to do anything against them, unless they do something stupid, like trying to beat me with stunning batons or stand in my way. So, I totally don't mind them staying there. I even feed them with dry rations.

Also I would like to note, that if anyone will have a desire to see me in person, you don't have to be on the green list. Just drop me a message.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arve Vesren
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-06-01 16:39:27 UTC

I will remind all contributors to this thread that the Communications Relay Committee strictly prohibit the disclosure of EVEmails and private conversation logs.

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