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An Open Inventation for Provists. The New State.

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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#1 - 2013-05-30 21:14:43 UTC
The winds are changing direction. You feel it. You can sense that an era is coming to an end. Heth and his ilk are quite doomed as long as they hold on to their dying path. I urge you to not squander your gifts and talent by going down with him. The universe would be diminished for each light that goes dark. Stay bright, little flames.

But not with Heth.

You know there are alternatives. Gurista? Mordu? Khanid? Freelance? None of these are the shining path you felt drawn to at first. They may have qualities of exceptionalism here and there. But those with merit do not always rule in such agencies. More often it is a game of who you know, your luck, or your ISK. Shun those ways and hear me out for a moment.

I wish you to see what I see. A New State. A land beyond the meddling inflence of the Federation, beyond the tribalistic squabbles of the Republic, beyond the holier-than-thou Empire and their empty God. A place with true merit. Those who have the ability gain the status. Leaders, poets, scientists, writers, builders. Experts in their field. True Citizens building the Future.

And for those who are not able to triumph, there is a place for them as well. For every Captain, there needs to be a crew. A General needs soldiers to carry out his strategies. Our term for this all important backbone of the New State offends some. But the title is nothing more then that. A title. Calling people Slaves may evoke Amarrian slavary imagery, but I tell you it is no more accurate then calling our great Titan a fish because of her title.

See with your own eyes the truth of the world I strive to bring to you before you dismiss it based on the propaganda from those who are jealous. I tell you, CONCORD's lies of my people are no more accurate then what the Federation says about you.

Please report to my personal office in Piak or mail me for more info about Nation, the New State.
Anslo
Scope Works
#2 - 2013-05-30 21:16:37 UTC
This sounds like a completely legitimate and not-at-all familiar idea from a racially unique person.

Nope, not similar at all.

Originality is fun, everyone!

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#3 - 2013-05-30 21:19:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Evi Polevhia
Anslo wrote:
This sounds like a completely legitimate and not-at-all familiar idea from a racially unique person.

Nope, not similar at all.

Originality is fun, everyone!


See how he attempts to diminish the obvious truth of the matter. This is because he has no other way to combat us. All attempts to squash my people have failed. Even genocide cannot halt us.
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#4 - 2013-05-30 21:25:21 UTC
I think we need less crazy in the State, not more.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#5 - 2013-05-30 21:28:46 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:
I think we need less crazy in the State, not more.


You are terribly mistaken if you think my, or my people's, long term plans have anything to do with staying inside State boarders.
Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-05-30 21:31:50 UTC
Badum tish
Is there a punchline here that I'm supposed to be getting?
wait, you're actually being serious?

Oh Ahem.
I see someone forgot to take her meds this morning it would appear.
Nevertheless I have a bunch of daft questions if I may?
Who defines 'merit' in your utopia?

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#7 - 2013-05-30 21:37:19 UTC
Who defines Merit in the State? It is a societal construct generally based on creativity, leadership, insight, benefit to the whole.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#8 - 2013-05-30 21:38:12 UTC
Zsaryna, i'd suggest not engaging with nation's little puppets.

They even claim to be networked into Kuvakei's little dystopian mess... shows how grounded in any form of reality they are.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#9 - 2013-05-30 21:43:18 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Zsaryna, i'd suggest not engaging with nation's little puppets.

They even claim to be networked into Kuvakei's little dystopian mess... shows how grounded in any form of reality they are.


At best you are ignorant. At worst, actively spreading false information with malicious intent.

The Foundations are not and never have been during my time with them connected directly with Nation's Network. Nor have I or anyone connected to us in an official capacity claimed so. The closest we have come to is discussions and other communications with public Nation liasons. We are seperated from Nation by necessity due to our position.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-05-30 22:13:57 UTC
You have to admire Kuvakei, in his own way.

He's crafted a lie so strong that not only is he able to delude millions of people and dozens of capsuleers - he even believes it himself.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#11 - 2013-05-30 22:20:41 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
iyammarrok wrote:
Zsaryna, i'd suggest not engaging with nation's little puppets.

They even claim to be networked into Kuvakei's little dystopian mess... shows how grounded in any form of reality they are.


At best you are ignorant. At worst, actively spreading false information with malicious intent.

The Foundations are not and never have been during my time with them connected directly with Nation's Network. Nor have I or anyone connected to us in an official capacity claimed so. The closest we have come to is discussions and other communications with public Nation liasons. We are seperated from Nation by necessity due to our position.


Oh?

Not up to date on some of the historical claims made by members of TS-F are we?
You should do some reading. The IGS archives are still there.

Tiberious made multiple claims to that effect and he was not the only one.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#12 - 2013-05-31 00:24:22 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Oh?

Not up to date on some of the historical claims made by members of TS-F are we?
You should do some reading. The IGS archives are still there.

Tiberious made multiple claims to that effect and he was not the only one.


At best I can figure your are mistaking claims of being 'in communication with' for claims of 'being networked with'. Two incredibly sifferent situations. I could understand an outsider's confusion though.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-05-31 02:51:43 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Heth and his ilk are quite doomed as long as they hold on to their dying path.

I would prefer you to not speak in such manner about our merited Executor-haan.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#14 - 2013-05-31 03:44:47 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You have to admire Kuvakei, in his own way.

He's crafted a lie so strong that not only is he able to delude millions of people and dozens of capsuleers - he even believes it himself.



It's easy to believe lies. The truth is what people find hard to believe.


iyammarrok wrote:
Not up to date on some of the historical claims made by members of TS-F are we?
You should do some reading. The IGS archives are still there.


In the interest of truth, I have seen many of the claims you're referring to, among others. Sometimes the references to being networked are ambiguous and it is easy for us to assume they mean Nation's primary network. As I've been told before, however, that is apparently not what they mean.






Evi Polevhia, one of these days, your eyes will open and you'll realize the horror you have become.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-05-31 03:58:21 UTC
Now do you really want your typical Provist to serve in the newest batch of Cyber-Slaves? Those implants would enable them to rant and rave about us "evil Gallente vulture demons" for all eternity without rest.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#16 - 2013-05-31 04:01:29 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Heth and his ilk are quite doomed as long as they hold on to their dying path.

I would prefer you to not speak in such manner about our merited Executor-haan.


As you wish. Still though, the offer is open to you and any others. I am not saying Join Nation. I am saying come and see what I see. I decided for myself to join the Foundations. I am certain that if you saw what I did you would do the same. No implants, no force.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#17 - 2013-05-31 06:10:23 UTC
Hmm, let's see... the Amarr want to make everyone literal slaves, subservient to them and their deity. Sansha and his minions want to make us all virtual slaves (cybernetically lobotomized zombies specifically) subservient to his whims with him as the deity. Seems legit...

I've rejected Jamyl's invitation to serve her so, just why should I consider yours to serve Sansha, Polevhia? And just what is it that you're trying to sell us? True Slave Light?

Being an implanted zombie with no independent thought, no free will, no personality, no dreams or aspirations just doesn't appeal to me. Still, I wouldn't mind hearing your answers to my questions.


When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#18 - 2013-05-31 13:57:22 UTC
I didn't realize you were a Provist and thus thought this thread was aimed at you. Or is reading comprehension in EM suffering as of late? I can assist with that. I know many effective educational methods if we need to start you and your companions on the basics again.
Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-05-31 14:43:08 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I would prefer you to not speak in such manner about our merited Executor-haan.


Loyalty is a virtue. Blindness is an affliction. You mistake the two.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.

BloodBird
The Crucible.
#20 - 2013-05-31 14:55:03 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
I didn't realize you were a Provist and thus thought this thread was aimed at you. Or is reading comprehension in EM suffering as of late? I can assist with that. I know many effective educational methods if we need to start you and your companions on the basics again.


IF you knew what reading comprehension were maybe you would realize she would not need to be a provist to ask such questions because answering them would answer them for your intended prey as well.

Answer her, why won't you? You saw fit to make a hilariously bad offer to the Caldari provists and inquiering minds want to know what's in it for them, or anyone for that matter, to accept.

Just imagine that either me on Rella are a provist and ask in honest wonder, then answer the inquiry.
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