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Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#41 - 2013-05-30 15:50:07 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Tarsas Phage wrote:
Because snuggling up inside a corp is suppose to be safe, care-free and riskless because that's the Eve way?


Oh are you afraid if your alt can't crap on people your game will be ruined? Is being an ass that important to you?

There's a big difference between war decing someone and having to deal with **** poor code.


I think you think you're playing a game where there are safe harbors.

Corp-on-corp killings is part of the Eve storyline and fabric, which goes along with trust, being on your wits, being able to defend yourself and others, and so on.

You've forgotten that there are only two ways to be "safe" in Eve: docked or logged off. And even when docked, some scammer might still get you. Being good at this game means being able to smartly manage all the vectors from which ill might arrive at you.
Adunh Slavy
#42 - 2013-05-30 17:46:57 UTC
Tarsas Phage wrote:

Missing the point, again.


Your reading comprehension skills need some time allocated to them.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#43 - 2013-05-30 18:11:29 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Adunh Slavy wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

Why shouldn't people you invite into your trust be able to betray that trust in a game whose cornerstone is "the risk of having your day ruined by other people"?


And CCP wonders why so many new players can't find corps and leave the game after a few months.

Forcing trust is not a good mechanic, let the awoxer earn his right, not just be handed to him.


He earns it by getting invited to join the corp. The fact that your recruiting practices are so lax that that's not a significant hurdle isn't a game mechanical problem.


Oh, and CCP is running an MMO that is among the Top 5 sub counts of any subscription MMO.
Ahead of it among all MMOs I have information for are:
WOW
Aion (a korean MMO that's F2P outside asia)
SWOTOR (now f2p)
Runescape (f2p)
Second Life (f2p?)

So, actually something like the second biggest western subscription MMO.

By the way, when I was new, I had no problem finding corps to join. Throughout my EVE history I have never had problems finding corps to join.

http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-1.png
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Adunh Slavy
#44 - 2013-05-30 20:17:46 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
The fact that your recruiting practices are so lax that that's not a significant hurdle isn't a game mechanical problem.



Assumptions, try again.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-05-30 20:22:47 UTC
why does Adunh Slavy want to dumb this game down and remove risk?

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-05-30 20:26:12 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
And CCP wonders why so many new players can't find corps and leave the game after a few months.


Adunh Slavy wrote:
Assumptions, try again.


heh

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Adunh Slavy
#47 - 2013-05-30 20:28:14 UTC
Andski wrote:
why does Adunh Slavy want to dumb this game down and remove risk?



Since when is wanting to make it simpler to welcome new players a bad thing? Since when have corp roles not sucked?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-05-30 20:38:26 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Since when is wanting to make it simpler to welcome new players a bad thing? Since when have corp roles not sucked?


I don't know, you want the consequences of bad recruitment practices to be removed. So yeah, that's dumbing the game down.

Also, corps run by idiots that can't keep obvious awoxers out and deal with the ones that do get through will not improve the experience for a new player, even if CCP dumbs the game down for you even more. If you're in a corp that accepts an awoxer who has a history of awoxing and can't even deal with the problem, your best bet is to get out of there and join a corp that isn't poorly run.

Corp roles are broken but that's a separate discussion entirely

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Adunh Slavy
#49 - 2013-05-30 20:45:05 UTC
Andski wrote:

I don't know, you want the consequences of bad recruitment practices to be removed. So yeah, that's dumbing the game down.


So we should all have forums and charge the tenbucks? Sorry but such sentiment coming from a goon doesn't impress me much.

Andski wrote:

Also, corps run by idiots that can't keep obvious awoxers out and deal with the ones that do get through will not improve the experience for a new player, even if CCP dumbs the game down for you even more. If you're in a corp that accepts an awoxer who has a history of awoxing and can't even deal with the problem, your best bet is to get out of there and join a corp that isn't poorly run.


Again, you have your SA forums. I am not impressed by your insight.

Andski wrote:

Corp roles are broken but that's a separate discussion entirely


Not if anti-awox permissions are introduced. Your dismissal dismissed.

A goon wanting to defend awoxig behaviors ... should I put on my shock face?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Haulie Berry
#50 - 2013-05-30 20:52:27 UTC
AWOXing is not a problem, and doesn't need a mechanical solution.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-05-30 20:53:37 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
So we should all have forums and charge the tenbucks? Sorry but such sentiment coming from a goon doesn't impress me much.


That didn't stop us from having our alliance disbanded or having hostile spies in the alliance.

Adunh Slavy wrote:
Not if anti-awox permissions are introduced. Your dismissal dismissed.

A goon wanting to defend awoxig behaviors ... should I put on my shock face?


No, if you want to accept somebody into your corp, you need to gain their trust and they need to gain yours. Alternatively, you need a way to deal with an awoxer: it's one ******* person versus your entire corp. Or you can do what any half-competent corp in the game does and vet applicants. Not that hard, and if it's too hard for you then don't run a goddamn corp.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#52 - 2013-05-30 20:57:23 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Andski wrote:

I don't know, you want the consequences of bad recruitment practices to be removed. So yeah, that's dumbing the game down.


So we should all have forums and charge the tenbucks? Sorry but such sentiment coming from a goon doesn't impress me much.

Andski wrote:

Also, corps run by idiots that can't keep obvious awoxers out and deal with the ones that do get through will not improve the experience for a new player, even if CCP dumbs the game down for you even more. If you're in a corp that accepts an awoxer who has a history of awoxing and can't even deal with the problem, your best bet is to get out of there and join a corp that isn't poorly run.


Again, you have your SA forums. I am not impressed by your insight.

Andski wrote:

Corp roles are broken but that's a separate discussion entirely


Not if anti-awox permissions are introduced. Your dismissal dismissed.

A goon wanting to defend awoxig behaviors ... should I put on my shock face?


My safari/awox alt is API verfied on EVE-kill and has a god-awful corp history. I safari'd yet another bad recruiter last night regardless. Doing literally 2 mins of research could have saved him. Endorsing bad recruiting practices because "people can't afford OOG forums" is a ridiculous argument. OOG forums have literally nothing to do with recruiting unless you make them another tool for you, but they certainly aren't required for good research practices.

But of course, my statements are invalid because I just admitted to having a safari alt. I can't be right if I'm opposed to you, after all.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Adunh Slavy
#53 - 2013-05-30 21:02:41 UTC
Andski wrote:

That didn't stop us from having our alliance disbanded or having hostile spies in the alliance.


Must have deserved to loose it then.

Andski wrote:

No, if you want to accept somebody into your corp, you need to gain their trust and they need to gain yours. Alternatively, you need a way to deal with an awoxer: it's one ******* person versus your entire corp. Or you can do what any half-competent corp in the game does and vet applicants. Not that hard, and if it's too hard for you then don't run a goddamn corp.


So, since your alliance was disbanded, you must not have propelry vetted someone. This makes you an authority on vetting anonymous people in a video game.

Don't run a godamn alliance. See, everyone can play.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-05-30 21:03:36 UTC
I mean there's a 3000+ member corp in this game that recruits new players and operates in hisec and they seem to have very few problems with awoxers because, well, they actually have proper recruiting practices and don't just accept everyone that applies willy-nilly. And, if somebody does slip through the cracks, they seem to handle it just fine.

Oh wait that shoots your "NEW PLAYERS are LEAVING the game because NOBODY WILL TAKE THEM" narrative square in the head doesn't it, let's ignore that!

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Adunh Slavy
#55 - 2013-05-30 21:05:44 UTC
Amazing how so many can miss the point. The initial entry of a new person to a corp should not be a big hassle for anyone. Once in, then build the trust.

Some people want to play corp spy on easy mode.

HTFU

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-05-30 21:07:40 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
So, since your alliance was disbanded, you must not have propelry vetted someone. This makes you an authority on vetting anonymous people in a video game.

Don't run a godamn alliance. See, everyone can play.


Yet we manage to do just fine despite having had our alliance disbanded, being a prime target for infiltration and dealing with awoxers on a regular basis. It's not hard to vet applicants to your corp:

http://ridetheclown.com/eveapi/audit.php (it even checks their kill log if they don't have it submitted to eve-kill!)
http://eve-kill.net
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/index.php
http://evewho.com

There, four simple tools anybody can use to determine if somebody poses a risk to their corp. But abloobloobloo why should somebody have to know how to use a web browser they just want to run a corp ((((

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Adunh Slavy
#57 - 2013-05-30 21:08:11 UTC
Andski wrote:

Oh wait that shoots your "NEW PLAYERS are LEAVING the game because NOBODY WILL TAKE THEM" narrative square in the head doesn't it, let's ignore that!



Sure go ahead, ignore it. Also ignore a number of revisions, much less the creation of corp recruitment interface, 11% tax on noob corps to encourage joining a player corp. Sure, let's ignore all the things you want to ignore.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-05-30 21:08:48 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
HTFU


do you even know what this means? apparently not, it means "harden the **** up" as in "harden the **** up and stop crying about awoxers"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#59 - 2013-05-30 21:10:33 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Amazing how so many can miss the point. The initial entry of a new person to a corp should not be a big hassle for anyone. Once in, then build the trust.

Some people want to play corp spy on easy mode.

HTFU


You keep saying that "easy joining for noobs" is what you want, but you're really saying "lazy recruitment of anyone who applies." People make public channels and in some cases require new recruits to come on joint ops before straight up recruiting in order to satisfy your "Once in, then build the trust" aspect. Incidentally, only committed safari/awoxing/spies will do the public channel for a month thing anyway.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Adunh Slavy
#60 - 2013-05-30 21:11:43 UTC
Andski wrote:

There, four simple tools anybody can use to determine if somebody poses a risk to their corp. But abloobloobloo why should somebody have to know how to use a web browser they just want to run a corp ((((



Because it is a GAME.

Not everyone takes Eve as seriously as those of us who regularly post on the forums.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt