Intergalactic Summit

I would say it would be a sad day once Tibus Heth is gone, if only because it would leave so many foreigners with so few opportunities the chance at righteous indignation, outrage, self-aggrandizement and empty rhetoric all wrapped up in the saccharine affectations of knowing what is best for the State without even realizing the Caldari perspective or why a citizen should care for the opinions of limp-wristed liberals and jaiji.

If I was not a married man...

You simply couldn't resist, could you?

I was referring to liberal as an adherent to a particular school of political thought and philosophy generally asserting the importance of individual liberty in relation to the authority and power of the State and not to Liberal as is generally accepted in the Caldari State as subscribing to the concepts of economic and foreign policy emphasizing free-market trade, de-regulation and an interstellar legal framework to promote them.

The issue that I have with the former as opposed to the latter (So long as it continues to advantage State economic and political interests) is the notion that some jaijii and even it appears some Caldari is the inability to accept that in order to serve the greater good of the State the individual must submit to the demands of the authority and power of the State as expressed politically through the Chief Executive Panel. As such, when I refer to, "limp-wristed liberals" it is to those who believe that the current disagreements with the State Executor are framed in a narrative such as, "Tibus Heth is a tyrant who oppresses the Caldari people because he is a Dictator," which I find a very Gallentean and liberal viewpoint to take. Especially when the basis of the current disagreement as far as I can see centres on issues of corporate sovereignty and independence in addition to the requirements of accountability, responsibility and consequence any Caldari Leader -- Even a Caldari Dictator -- should be beholden to.

I find little disagreeable or incompatible with my own values in retaining the position and office of State Executor as a Dictatorial position in the State for at times the will of an single people must be expressed through the will of a single person, and my own personal disagreements and reservations of Tibus Heth as a leader is not due to him being a tyrant, but perhaps not being a ruthless and effective tyrant enough to lead the Caldari people towards our manifest destiny.

Hopefully that clarifies matters to some extent, Oniseki-haani, as to what I meant regarding liberals as regards this topic. I must admit to some surprise however that anyone affiliated with Ishukone or Hyasyoda would believe I would dare imply that such loyal citizens of the State would think I even had them in my heart or mind when I insult those who believe in such a flawed Gallentean philosophy such as social-liberalism.

Gesakaarin-haani, my post was meant more as a light-hearted jab rather than a serious question of your intent.

Though, now that you point out the two wholly different types of 'liberals', I'm beginning to think we ought to choose a different political moniker for ourselves.

There's nothing inherently wrong with make suggestions to other nations. That's why we all got together and held hands at the Yulai conference. It's important for nations to communicate with each other and share their input on internal and international affairs. This happens so often in typical day-to-day diplomatic negotiations that only the exorbitant statements made by the leaders of said nations tend to make the news.

I really don't see what the big issue is here. You can either take advice from others, or completely disregard it. The Federation can't force the State to take our advice, and the State can't force the Federation to stay silent and vice versa during times when the situation is reversed. Either party believing that they can force something is completely ludicrous.



Ah, you referred to the "Morning of Reasoning", not to "Meetings of Reasoning". The Morning of Reasoning only happened once, whereas Meetings of Reasoning spurred from that morning. Regardless, both are not meant to deal with a change in power when the power is so focused.

If one man is nothing to the Caldari, then how was Heth able to stay in control for over 5 years with no threat to his power until now?



If Kaalakoita and the Navy stand with Heth, then they have a very good shot of being able to maintain power. Despite being in horrible debt, Kaalakoita is still the most militaristic of the mega-corps. They have the manpower, training, and weaponry to put up a formidable fight. Being outnumbered is a significant disadvantage, yet we've seen time and time again that numbers aren't everything in war. The Gallente-Caldari war, The Battle of Vak' Atioth, hell even several of the events in the One Day War. Even though Heth is an incompetent buffoon regarding Military strategy, Kaalakoita and obviously the Navy have some idea of what to do when the bullets start flying.

As for "Survival of the Fittest" that principle is rather obsolete here in the Federation. Unlike the State, we don't cast aside the weak, we do our best to make them stronger. Through self-improvement, you can change the course of your life dramatically.
It appears that Heth is a coward, and now you say the CEP is made up of cowards. Clearly, there needs to be reform of some kind.



Here we go...

First contact between the Gallente and the Caldari involved the Gallente uplifting the industrial and in some areas of the planet, feudal planet of Caldari Prime into a space capable society in a extremely short amount of time. While we did indeed begin pushing it later on, the majority of our early alliance was spent with much generosity, cooperation and mutual benefit. You really need to read up on our civilization's early days.

Regarding megacorporations, refer to the "Cultural Deliverance" section of this Galnet database

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Nascent_Era_of_the_Gallente_Federation

Ms. Sakoda,

The only political interest I hold is ensuring the martial strength, power and prestige of the Caldari State against the potential existential threats it faces to its continued survival as an independent, autonomous and sovereign nation against numerically superior nations in the Federation, Empire and Republic. As a citizen of the State it is my fundamental duty to remain ever vigilant against the threats to the State -- both internal and external -- that threaten its continued liberty to exist. Dreams of peace are luxuries I can ill-afford when every day I live is nothing more than a preparation for that one final day when I must take up arms against the enemies of my people.

I have never disagreed that the Chief Executive Panel should remain as the sole political authority of the Caldari State - rightfully so as together CEP members represent the majority of the economic, industrial and military strength of the State. This does not change the fact, however, that social-liberalism breeds a particular form of anti-social weakness inimical with the requirements of maintaining the necessary martial strength of the Caldari citizenry or that liberal and democratic dissidents in the State have historically shown themselves to be openly opposed to traditional Caldari social maxims; the legitimacy of Corporate Authority; and have been open enemy collaborators and provocateurs utilizing acts of espionage, sabotage and terrorism to achieve their political agendas. As such the State Executor has always been correct in acknowledging the threat posed by liberal and democratic dissidents and the requirements to liquidate such internal threats promptly and efficiently.

It is my belief having a State Executor chosen by the CEP to act as the State's Tirokkutun, its Lord of War, is an essential and vital form of tyranny for us in the Caldari State to rebuild our strength of arms, eliminate totally or re-educate those presenting internal threats to legitimate authority and to foster national unity as the State, by necessity, seeks to secure its future prosperity through enlightened outwards expansion in pursuit of the manifest destiny of the Caldari people. The only issues for me then surround only the checks-and-balances on power between the Office of the State Executor and that of the Chief Executive Panel and ensuring that those chosen for the position truly have the talent and ability to Dictate State power effectively during their tenure.

My only regret is that it was Tibus Heth and not a man such as Mathias Sobaseki that was first granted the position and authority of Executor. Sobaseki-haan and the other Founders of the State would at least have recognized the importance of taking a long view with the intent to strike at the Federation: Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi and Lai Dai continuing to guard the secret of Black Rise and establish it as the industrial base to construct a new Task Force to use against the Federation while also promoting the policies of Progressives such as Foiritain to decrease Federal defence spending and military strength under the belief of bilateral detente. Then and only then, when all possible preparations were in place and with the Federal military weakened by its own government should we have launched a surprise attack against the Federation with the intent to annihilate Federal military and industrial capacity to resist in one single decisive shock campaign that could have established a New Order in State-Federation relations where we could at the very least have extended State borders to include Luminaire in addition to a new territorial buffer zone.

The doors to the entire Federation could have been opened to the Caldari State.

That such a golden opportunity was squandered due to rash opportunism on the part of Tibus Heth was perhaps the first, but not the last essential failure his leadership has provided and which we have had to endure.

Yes, well, let us just say they also contain contradictory information, which makes the veracity of certain articles suspect. This is an issue that has been brought up many times with the maintainers of said articles.

His rise to the position of Executor speaks for the man, or what he was. You can dislike that all you want, but in the end he brought to the table what was necessary to get into office, and he did so at the right point in time. That is a version of merit that is hard to discard.
That was then, and now is now. Times are changing, and so are the necessities. Retaking Caldari Prime has brought us access to our ancestral homeworld, and thanks to the stubbornness of the federation it is now scarred. Still, at this day, we hold more ground on Luminaire than for two centuries prior to the escalation. This should not be forgotten, either.

Reducing that man only to his failings is not an objective way to pass judgement. I still firmly hold the position that, at that time, a drastic change was necessary, if only to act as a catalyst for us to pull ourselves together now and find a brighter future. 'The way it was before' is not an ideal either.