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Ship size Vs turret size - Noctis
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Gregor Gorian
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-05-17 13:29:53 UTC
Hi all,

I find the disparity between the model size of the turrets VS the ship is just too much. It actually looks ridiculous, these extraordinary tiny turrets on this ship that appears to be so much bigger.

Gregor
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#2 - 2013-05-17 13:41:42 UTC
Actually, the turret to ship model ratio is about right for the new ships...

Last thing we need is the ships looking like caricatures, small hulls with giant turrets...

Idea

Go find something else to whine about.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#3 - 2013-05-17 13:55:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lors Dornick
Gregor Gorian wrote:

I find the disparity between the model size of the turrets VS the ship is just too much. It actually looks ridiculous, these extraordinary tiny turrets on this ship that appears to be so much bigger.


The turrets (tractor/salvager) looks the right size on a destroyer that used to be the standard salvager.

Now, ORE in their wisdom found that a destroyer hull was too small, too fragile and lacked to infrastructure to hack up a proper dedicated salvager.

Being a bit on the cheap side (they're indys) they decided to solve this problem by reusing an existing hull (the Primae) and retool it for some proper salvaging.

Since the Primae, and then obviously the Noctis, is a battlecruiser sized hull the small utility turrets looks quite silly on such a large hull (they look even sillier on a salvager Rokh).

However ORE are indys, they bother about efficiency and don't give a flying duck about aesthetics.

See, a proper (lol)RP explanation, now live with it ;)

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#4 - 2013-05-17 14:47:05 UTC
Don't make CCP invent medium, large and capital sized salvagers.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#5 - 2013-05-17 16:24:43 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Don't make CCP invent medium, large and capital sized salvagers.

WHY NOT!? AOE Large salvagers and tractor beams would be pretty awesome on marauders!
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-05-17 16:28:35 UTC
Mr. Orange wrote:
Actually, the turret to ship model ratio is about right for the new ships...

Last thing we need is the ships looking like caricatures, small hulls with giant turrets...

Idea

Go find something else to whine about.




I'd rather have the smaller Dramiel back with the larger turrets than what it is now.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#7 - 2013-05-17 16:29:44 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Don't make CCP invent medium, large and capital sized salvagers.

WHY NOT!? AOE Large salvagers and tractor beams would be pretty awesome on marauders!



What would be better is if CCP gave Salvages and Tractors combat uses. I don't just wanna web a fool going for a gate, I wanna tow him into range of my blasters with my tractor beams! Then i want my salvagers to strip peices of his ship of while I'm tractoring him. Saving on savaging time is a must in this game Cool
YuuKnow
The Scope
#8 - 2013-05-17 20:59:53 UTC  |  Edited by: YuuKnow
Gregor Gorian wrote:
Hi all,

I find the disparity between the model size of the turrets VS the ship is just too much. It actually looks ridiculous, these extraordinary tiny turrets on this ship that appears to be so much bigger.

Gregor


I remember thinking the same thing when I first started playing. I was used to Homeworld2 style of turrets (still the coolest ship designs in space-gaming IMHO) and when coming over to Eve was kindof ridiculous how small the turrets were, especially on the battleships, compaed to HW2.

I think that the tier 3 battlecruisers had it about right,but unfortunately, it doesn't look like things will ever change given Eve is going into its 10th year and they have no incentive to make any ship-wide changes of the kind.

yk

Edit: this makes me want to fire up the HW2 right now... *off to battle the Vaygr*
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#9 - 2013-05-17 22:10:21 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Don't make CCP invent medium, large and capital sized salvagers.

WHY NOT!? AOE Large salvagers and tractor beams would be pretty awesome on marauders!

Now take that idea to the maximum and you get Doomsday Salvager modules on titans. Why settle for anything less, when you can salvage whole grid all at once? And same thing for strip miners... >.>

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#10 - 2013-05-18 13:52:17 UTC
Allright allright, I will settle for Large tractor beams and salvagers... something like... I really wanted doomsday salvagers...

large tractor beam
30 cpu
500 pg
35 km range
1000 ms speed.



large salvager
30 cpu
500 pg
10 km range
10% salvage rate

and a fitting bonus for marauders -50% fitting requirements for this modules...
Gregor Gorian
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-05-30 13:47:25 UTC
All of these "explanations" don't really make up for the fact that the noctis looks like it has a bunch of tiny ticks sitting on it. Hell I'm fine with all of the other ships out there, just seems that they didn't want to do more effort than what was needed there.

Gregor
Doddy
Excidium.
#12 - 2013-05-30 13:52:27 UTC
Why would salvagers be a different size just because the ship is bigger?
Noddy Comet
Lysdexic Agnostics - Thier is no Dog
#13 - 2013-05-30 14:08:03 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Why would salvagers be a different size just because the ship is bigger?



^^^ THIS ^^^^

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Velarra
#14 - 2013-05-30 14:08:39 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Don't make CCP invent medium, large and capital sized salvagers.

WHY NOT!? AOE Large salvagers and tractor beams would be pretty awesome on marauders!



What would be better is if CCP gave Salvages and Tractors combat uses. I don't just wanna web a fool going for a gate, I wanna tow him into range of my blasters with my tractor beams! Then i want my salvagers to strip peices of his ship of while I'm tractoring him. Saving on savaging time is a must in this game Cool



& don't forget assault mining lasers.
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#15 - 2013-05-30 16:08:36 UTC
Noddy Comet wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Why would salvagers be a different size just because the ship is bigger?



^^^ THIS ^^^^



Maybe they want plastic drainpipes put around the barrels to make them look bigger Roll
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#16 - 2013-05-30 17:33:41 UTC
Noddy Comet wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Why would salvagers be a different size just because the ship is bigger?



^^^ THIS ^^^^




more space to fit larger and more powerful analyzing computers, micro scanners, last I remember a salvager is just a sort of space xray radar machine to scan wrecks and find leftovers that are useful, a bigger radar on this case always literally means more data and even more precision (up to a point) but requires a larger base, thus a larger ship could use a larger salvager.


this would allow some people on low and null to run some sites and places for more profit without having to dock undock constantly changing ships.

and would help marauders as well
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#17 - 2013-05-30 18:19:53 UTC
Bigger isn't better, it's not the size of the turret, it's
how you use it.

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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#18 - 2013-05-30 18:23:28 UTC
There are Capital tractors..

Just saying. and according to their schematic they are 60 feet in length.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#19 - 2013-05-30 20:21:25 UTC
Ioci wrote:
There are Capital tractors..

Just saying. and according to their schematic they are 60 feet in length.

unfortunately those don't fit on marauders T_T!
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-05-30 20:47:12 UTC
I never noticed the turrets on my Noctis before reading this thread. Now I'm looking at them 23/7 and the more I do so the more annoying they become.

So, you know, thanks and everything. X
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