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so you say that people don't know how to fit cloaks? and dont know how to Dscan properly using the camera aligning toll to use 5 degree scanning method, in the time of being cloaked i can scan down a miner within 5 degrees, if its a small system

so these things being on space view in WH space makes people hunting really happy

but i think i should be able to put these things on overview..... having to watch in space is tedious

Yeah, with this change with grav sites, and not having a cloaking change in the same patch, 0.0 mining is going to suffer.

Gone are the days I could ignore an afk cloaky and mine in my hidden belt, feeling relatively safe. Now the guy can warp straight to me without uncloaking, and light a cyno out of nowhere.

CCP buffs Arkonor... but now nobody will mine it. by the way, if I wanted insane risk while getting better ore, I'd mine in the ASTEROID belt. (I've been black ops dropped before doing this)


way to go CCP, my profession is done.

We increased the reward significantly in both Wormhole and Nullsec mining, and also increased the risk.

Some people will take the easy route and stop mining, others will find clever ways to take advantage of the situation and use the more valuable ores to get rich.

Working as intended.

If the new hole is not in your system, then any ship coming through it will not be in your system. They got to do another jump into your system. Then your scout alt will hear the wh activation sound and you will know someone just came in and its time to leave.

Edit: CCP Fozzie this is all quite nice



But it can also be said about war decs in high sec; the clever ones will find ways to cope. The result was stated by Solomon in the CSM minutes.

"Solomon: The strong prey on the weak, but the weak aren’t responding, and nobody’s getting particularly fun or nourishing gameplay out of this. Is that a failure?"

Miners do not respond by fighting back. They respond by taking whatever course of action results in low stress. Including canceling and playing a different game. Is that a failure?

It is not. CCP has a hard on for making ganking easier right now. PVPers have been complaining about not having any targets, so they give them more miners and explorers to gank. What they do not realize is this is counter productive. All this will do is push more PVEers out of null sec. This will lead to less targets not more.

If you want more targets buff null sec PVE. More players moving to null sec will bring more targets. Making those targets easier to find will only discourage the targets from being there to find at all. Ganking is not an activity that needs buffed. It is an activity that creates one sided content and encourages the targets to quit the game. I guess CCP has gotten bored of EVE and wants it to die so they transfer resources over to World Of Darkness. But then again by the time CCP gets WoD ready for release the vampire Fad will be over and the game will flop.

Odyssey started out looking like an amazing expansion, but it has gotten way out of hand, with far to much effort going into ideas that do not work for the majority of the EVE player base. I see a disaster coming, and it is to late to fix it.

Significantly? Seriously?

You increased the rewards by maybe 10% and the risk by more like 500%. The most likely scenario is that prices of minerals will shift so that the ABC's ores are only slightly more valuable then they are now. Nobody will be getting rich off this, even if they are clever enough to find a way to continue semi afk mining. Trit has already dropped almost 20% and the expansion has not even happened yet. Where is this significantly more valuable ORE? The slight change to compositions will only shift the value of null sec ore back to a balanced state. it will not make it significantly more valuable.

The small buff to ore composition was definitely needed, but now you have restricted access to it to those backed by large alliances that have the means and the motive to protect mining ops.

However you are forgetting a key factor. The players that mine are the players that prefer the easy route, to the point where they are willing to take massive cuts in isk/hr for that easier game play. The percentage of miners that will "will find clever ways to take advantage of the situation" will be a very small number. I certainly could easily over come this, but I can not be bothered, the rewards are just not worth it. When I mine it is always semi AFK. If I am actually playing and giving the game my concentration I am not mining, but doing other activities with a much higher isk/hr. If miners wanted to be challenged they would not be mining. This clever class of miners willing to dedicate massive resources into these high risk mining ops do not exist. At least not outside of the power blocks. I guess megacyte will be the new Technetium, or was that you plan all along.

When the only mining ops able to take advantage of these insecure ore sites are ones ran by the same cartels that currently control the technetium market, megacyte will quickly come under their control, they will certainly have the resources to buy up any limited supplies outside of there own production. Are you ready for another GOON campaign that will rival the game breaking events and exploits of the initial faction wars changes?

Or is you vision of EVE that every pilot should belong to a massive power block coalition if they want to leave highsec?

Fozzie you are wrong on this one, but it is to late to fix it, so I guess we will just have to sit back and watch the fallout.

You have done an amazing job with ship re-balancing, but you seem far less intouch when it comes to industry in EVE. These are two very different play styles, and can not be merged without driving much of your industrial player base away. Keep in mind the majority of EVE players are not active on the forums, many will be bindsided by these changes. True it will be their own fault for not following events and development. But that will not curb their rage.

CCP took a seemingly good idea, switching static belts to grav sites, and then completely missed the point.

I assume by your first comment that you will be one of the pilots hunting miners, not mining yourself.

I agree with you 100% that most miners will not look for clever ways to work around the change. Not that miners are not clever enough, but that if they wanted to put that kind of effort into EVE they would not be mining in the first place.

I have said before. I only mine when I am at work, and always Semi AFK. I do it because the other activities I take part in require more attention than I can give while mutitasking my work load. When I need to be more clever and dedicate more attention to my mining ops to avoid being ganked, I will simply stop mining. Why? It is not because I can not adapt, it is because I have better things to do with my time when I have time to dedicate that level of attention to the game.

Say only half of the null sec miners stop mining after this change.I expect it will be closer to 80% but we will stick with 50%. What will happen to the price of ships when the supply of high end minerals drops by 50%? 80% of the mineral volume in most ships is low end minerals, but 80% of the cost is high end minerals. If I am right, not only will null sec mining drop in popularity, but the cost of every ship in game will double. Not to mention it will make it very easy for the null sec power blocks currently controlling the technetium market to control the megacyte market.

The much higher prices of null sec ores we will soon see will make null sec mining more appealing, but if the average miner can not do it safely they will not pursue it not matter how much isk/hr they could make. As proof of this I say look at the state of low sec mining we currently have. Low sec ores Hedbergite, hemorphite, and jaspet are 3 of the top 4 most valuable ore in game right now. Did this drive an increase in low sec mining for the better rewards? No, it did not. Why? Because the level of risk is to high, even with the higher rewards. Well will see the same thing happen in Null when Odyssey goes live.

I don't see why miners changing professions or going to highsec would be a problem. That would mean less supply of high ends, which means high ends would rise in price, which means those that chose to brave the additional risk would reap additional rewards. The system works!



You know, we didn't have any plans along these lines, but now that you mention it....

Oh, wait, no, Technetium had unique factors involved in the cartel that made it possible to cartel it in the first place and, contrary to the belief of many, it's not possible to just arbitrarily cartel any given material.

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However you are forgetting a key factor. The players that mine are the players that prefer the easy route, to the point where they are willing to take massive cuts in isk/hr for that easier game play. The percentage of miners that will "will find clever ways to take advantage of the situation" will be a very small number. I certainly could easily over come this, but I can not be bothered, the rewards are just not worth it. When I mine it is always semi AFK. If I am actually playing and giving the game my concentration I am not mining, but doing other activities with a much higher isk/hr. If miners wanted to be challenged they would not be mining. This clever class of miners willing to dedicate massive resources into these high risk mining ops do not exist. At least not outside of the power blocks. I guess megacyte will be the new Technetium, or was that you plan all along./quote]

I only disagree in one small wall. WH miners now don't afk mine. They spam ds continuously. If I want to semi-ark mine I log in a hisec ice miner. Of course that will change in Odyssey as well but I can live with that change because there are some good reasons for it even though it will hurt my own ISK production.