Market Discussions

* DISCLAIMER: I know nothing about the markets, the history table or graphs and do not understand the finer points of market mechanics....also I suck at maths*


2000 * 12 = 24000 is your calculated rate of loss.

There were a minimum of 400k built in the 2 months post announcement.

If you want to calculate the exact volume traded in the past year, then it is relatively easy to do....although that will tell you total bought and sold.

That number is not overly helpful, as many of them will be flipped and so, counted twice...so you can probably halve that value.

So, if for example, where I am sitting now shows 13k procurers traded (in both directions) over the past year, this is an average of 38 a day. I am not sitting in some backwater region.
The average price is pretty much smack in the middle of the high and low, indicating it is going equally to buys and sells.

This means, 1 procurer is being counted twice....so, in fact, there are 7k (rounding up) procurers moving through this region in the last year.

In the biggest trade hub, there are 162k in the last year, which is an average of 445/day. However, the last 2 months have been 392 and 279 respectively, and the averages are skewed by a large movement approx once a month of 1k.

A quick peek shows that there are currently 3697 procurers under your target price of 14m. which would need to be bought out.
The average price for the last month has been 8.3m (The sell order price), with few, if any going to buy orders.

As I said before, it is not a buy order fund you need, it is a fund to buy up every procurer on the market below your target price and relist...and that is a slightly different task than the one you are proposing to undertake.

That one you can give a "Hi, I need X isk to achieve" instead of a vague "I am going to place buy orders", and is a slightly more realistic way of resetting the market.

So, you just need to calculate the buyout price of the sell orders, and add in the additional stock, and then you know how much isk to ask for....

honestly I do not know what you want to tell me, but please open your own fund or proceed with your own plan and we see who will have the better outcome, I keep it simple buy at 8 million sell at 14 million and you do your math thing...

I see a thousand blowup on the killboard each month, just on one killboard, the actual number will be higher, there is an overstock and it is cheap, not more needed to use the ship even more compared to the past... accepting other opinions does not mean to agree on them you know, there is also no need to convince me, i started this thread only because I was searching for investors, if people do not agree they do not need to invest

actually I'm doing it with my own funds anyway, limited but still, I would be happy if people just accept it because this should have never been a discussion, it was only opend to search for people who have the same opinion and move forward with them, this was not opened because i was searching for people who convince me of the opposite

meh nvm, no point

As someone who owns a lot of Procurers, I applaud your effort to raise the price of them by moving them from hubs to less populated areas. I hope you make a lot of profit and you probably will. How long will it take to get my principal+interest back if I invest?

I did not say we burn through the stockpile in 6 month, I only said that the price will go up to 14 million within 6 - 12 month when i start buying up the 8 million sales orders, thats a big difference, the price will go up in stairs and not fall back, steady the more of the stock is burned through, it will not go directly from 8 to 20 million after the stock is burned completely, this will be a process where it raised each month until all the stock is burned

I have 17 million can I help?

Definition of 'Profit'
A financial benefit that is realized when the amount of revenue gained from a business activity exceeds the expenses, costs and taxes needed to sustain the activity.


You don't make a profit from the sale of your first procurer period. If you have to buy up thousands of procurers under 14mil before your stock starts selling, it will take as much sales as you need to cover the expense of ALL the procurers you bought to even BEGIN making a profit. In your case, you first have to buy out thousands of procurers, and thus it will take you YEARS to even start making a profit. Certainly not 6-12 months as you proclaim.

If you do not grasp the simplicity of what I typed above, for the love of god, take some courses in economics before trying to play the market again.

For fun, I put out a regional buy order for some P1s, 8 mil worth. I have flipped it three times in a week at 50% margins.

I'm up 10 million ISK. How's your mining barge thing going?

P.S. I never undocked either.

cool down a bit, right? whats your master plan then? please enlighten us...

and be warened if you get unpolite again i will ignore future posts of you like many others, so no more fun talking to me then...