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What to use For sansha/angel/blood

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Sergant Steel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-30 12:35:39 UTC
Okay after i am trained for a tengu i will fly it and either, blitz or salvage with an alt and do it fully (count that as question 1, which one to do), for the missions against sansha/blood/angel should i carry on using the tengu and use different missiles other than scourge, and is it worth using scourge on angels also.?

Thanks,

Steel.

TL;DR
1: Tengu blitz or complete and salvage in an alt.
2: Use scourge missiles against angels?
2: Switch missiles for Sansha/Blood/Angels if not scourge.?
3: If not change missiles seperate ship? Raven possibly?
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-05-30 12:56:03 UTC
I use this, it tells you which is the best ammo type for each mission, have fun.

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports

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Sergant Steel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-05-30 13:03:18 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
I use this, it tells you which is the best ammo type for each mission, have fun.

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports

Thats not what i mean, im talking about wether to use the different missiles, on the tengu or have a seperate ship etc for some other missions.

Steel
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-05-30 13:10:24 UTC
Sergant Steel wrote:
Drago Shouna wrote:
I use this, it tells you which is the best ammo type for each mission, have fun.

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports

Thats not what i mean, im talking about wether to use the different missiles, on the tengu or have a seperate ship etc for some other missions.

Steel



I always salvage, depending on the numbers i'll do it myself or log my other acc with my Noctis if there's a lot of wrecks.

As for the Tengu I have never flown one but on my Drake I just switch missile types against different factions, I just follow the guide which tells you which damage type works best for each faction you are going to be fighting.

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Sergant Steel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-05-30 13:34:01 UTC
You dont salvage if you blitz afaik, thats why one of my questions was to blitz or not to blitz in a tengu. Also are you doing lv 3/lv 4 with your drake.

Steel
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-05-30 13:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Sergant Steel wrote:
Drago Shouna wrote:
I use this, it tells you which is the best ammo type for each mission, have fun.

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports

Thats not what i mean, im talking about wether to use the different missiles, on the tengu or have a seperate ship etc for some other missions.

Steel


Stop being ignorant. That site the guy pinked tells you which type of damage you should bring...ergo which missiles to load.

If you switch or not...that is personal preference...

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Sergant Steel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-05-30 13:51:40 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Sergant Steel wrote:
Drago Shouna wrote:
I use this, it tells you which is the best ammo type for each mission, have fun.

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports

Thats not what i mean, im talking about wether to use the different missiles, on the tengu or have a seperate ship etc for some other missions.

Steel


Stop being ignorant. That site the guy pinked tells you which type of damage you should bring...ergo which missiles to load.

I already know sansh/blood-mjolnir serpentis-kin/therm(bout equal) guristas-kin angels-explosive, kin. Then there is drones, merc etc. then i dont know for sure i use eve survival anyway, i was talking about whether its worth the damage loss to use the non scourge missiles on the tengu or just use a raven for example for those non guristas/serpentis/mordus missions.

Steel
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-05-30 13:53:23 UTC
Sergant Steel wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Sergant Steel wrote:
Drago Shouna wrote:
I use this, it tells you which is the best ammo type for each mission, have fun.

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports

Thats not what i mean, im talking about wether to use the different missiles, on the tengu or have a seperate ship etc for some other missions.

Steel


Stop being ignorant. That site the guy pinked tells you which type of damage you should bring...ergo which missiles to load.

I already know sansh/blood-mjolnir serpentis-kin/therm(bout equal) guristas-kin angels-explosive, kin. Then there is drones, merc etc. then i dont know for sure i use eve survival anyway, i was talking about whether its worth the damage loss to use the non scourge missiles on the tengu or just use a raven for example for those non guristas/serpentis/mordus missions.

Steel


That is mainly personal preference.

When I ran missions (ages ago), I never bothered to switch ammo types.

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Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-05-30 13:57:11 UTC
Hi, I know the difference between blitzing and salvaging, personally I salvage everything, if you want to blitz to just complete the mission only, then do so...but that can be a decent amount of isk left behind...

I use my Drake atm for level 3's and clear everything ready to salvage. As soon as I have cleared a room I warp my Noctis in to follow behind.

I also carry all 4 types of faction missiles to swap about as needed.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.

Sergant Steel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-05-30 14:01:54 UTC
Ah afaik in lv 3's it is more profitable to salvage, but in lv 4's it can be equal if you convert the LP so although money is left behind, its only to get more money quicker.

Steel
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-05-30 14:03:26 UTC
Sergant Steel wrote:
Okay after i am trained for a tengu i will fly it and either, blitz or salvage with an alt and do it fully (count that as question 1, which one to do), for the missions against sansha/blood/angel should i carry on using the tengu and use different missiles other than scourge, and is it worth using scourge on angels also.?

Thanks,

Steel.

TL;DR
1: Tengu blitz or complete and salvage in an alt.
2: Use scourge missiles against angels?
2: Switch missiles for Sansha/Blood/Angels if not scourge.?
3: If not change missiles seperate ship? Raven possibly?


do what you want cause a pirate is free!

I should buy an Ishtar.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-05-30 14:03:46 UTC
Sergant Steel wrote:
Ah afaik in lv 3's it is more profitable to salvage, but in lv 4's it can be equal if you convert the LP so although money is left behind, its only to get more money quicker.

Steel


Level 4's are where you make much monyey from salvaging. Level 3's are best to blitz for stnadings.

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Sergant Steel
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Caldari State
#13 - 2013-05-30 16:11:58 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Sergant Steel wrote:
Ah afaik in lv 3's it is more profitable to salvage, but in lv 4's it can be equal if you convert the LP so although money is left behind, its only to get more money quicker.

Steel


Level 4's are where you make much monyey from salvaging. Level 3's are best to blitz for stnadings.

So in response to my TL;DR 1 dont blitz the lv 4 in a tengu fully complete and salvage?

Steel
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-30 18:52:02 UTC
Sergant Steel wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Sergant Steel wrote:
Ah afaik in lv 3's it is more profitable to salvage, but in lv 4's it can be equal if you convert the LP so although money is left behind, its only to get more money quicker.

Steel


Level 4's are where you make much monyey from salvaging. Level 3's are best to blitz for stnadings.

So in response to my TL;DR 1 dont blitz the lv 4 in a tengu fully complete and salvage?

Steel


The salvage of level 4's will give you a good extra income.

But as I said, it's also up to personal preference. I can't stand going back to clean the wrecks so I even just blitz level 4's

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Meta Warrior
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-05-30 19:49:45 UTC
Pretty much everything said. To put it another way, by using EvE survival, Drago Shouna's link it will give you a good indication of:

1. what you can blitz in a hurry, by killing nothing or very little.
2. what you can blitz with some effort, by killing some, but not all.
3. what you pretty much have to kill all.

My main as access to several lvl 3 and lvl 4 agents. I don't run very many 3's any more as 4's are far more profitable with way. So, based on the above indicators, I do the following for what I think is best ISK/hour. I haven't take the time to make a spreadsheet for this.

1. blitz it. Most likely, you'll make a couple thousand LP and 1 to 2 mil ISK in about 5-10 minutes.
2. If i can get through it quick, say around 10-15 minutes, turn it in, get another. If it takes longer and wrecks pile up, salvage.
3. Kill 'm All, loot everything. Unless it's Rogue Drones. Personally, I only salvage when there are lots of BS's.

I typically run 3's with 2 accounts, 2 BC's. For 4's, it's BS/BC to start, then as it winds down and I'm going to salvage, swap BC for Noctis.

Hope this helps.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-05-30 20:28:22 UTC
I am somewhat appalled that you didn't get a better answer so far.
Once you take into consideration a ship's bonus for a specific type, the question becomes more complicated, but there is no such thing as "personal preference" - there is an exact answer as to what ammunition does the most damage.

Against a Gist Commander (Angel Battleship - http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=16892)
Havoc Heavy Missile: 150 damage * 0.6 = 90
Scourge Heavy Missile with Tengu Bonus: 150 damage * 1.25 * 0.5 = 93.75
Scourge Heavy Missile with Drake Bonus: 150 damage * 1.50 * 0.5 = 112.5

Against a Centus Lord (Sansha BS - http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=17058)
Thunderbolt Heavy Missile: 150 damage * 0.6 = 90
Scourge Heavy Missile with Tengu Bonus: 150 damage * 1.25 * 0.4 = 75
Scourge Heavy Missile with Drake Bonus: 150 damage * 1.50 * 0.4 = 90

Against a Corpus Messiah (Bloodraider BS with higher than average resists - http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=26754)
Thunderbolt Heavy Missile: 150 damage * 0.51 = 76.5
Scourge Heavy Missile with Tengu Bonus: 150 damage * 1.25 * 0.31 = 58.125
Scourge Heavy Missile with Drake Bonus: 150 damage * 1.50 * 0.31 = 69.75

So, it depends - against Angel BS, the difference between 40% explosive resist or 50% kinetic is not enough to warrant switching types. Against Sansha and Bloodraider BS, the difference between 40% EM resist and 60% kinetic is noticeable, especially in a Tengu (less in a Drake).

Smaller ships usually have lower resists across the board, this favors sticking with the ship bonus. However Elite ships (all sizes) have very high resists, which favors switching.

There is no universal answer, you'll have to go to that site and calculate it yourself for every specific ship you are facing.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2013-05-30 21:53:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
With a kinetic bonus use EM missiles on EM weak NPC; Sansha, Blood Raiders, Rogue, Drones; and kinetic (bonused missile) on everything else. Rate of fire (RoF) bonused ships like the Raven can use the missiles the NPC are weak to.

I also trained into Amarr ships, so I have a pulse Legion for those EM missions if I'm in the mood, otherwise I'll use the Tengu (EM & kinetic), or Raven Navy Issue (all damage types), or Rattlesnake (all damage types). Probably head for a Vargur eventually (all damage types).
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-05-30 22:02:42 UTC
Info snowstorm there, Thomas. chrucker.dk...good site, but for new players it can all seem a bit overwhelming, eh? There is personal preference involved in things as factors like how one wants to spend their game time and purposely choosing to take disadvantages for different reasons come into play.

OP - for Tengu, switch between damage types and between precision (get those pesky frigate scrammers out of the way) and heavy fury missiles. Blitz lvl4 and contract the salvaging to a salvage corp. ...Tengu-related things in new citizens subforum though? Tengu isn't really a ship new players would probably be dealing with for awhile don't you think?
Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-05-30 23:33:09 UTC
I don't bother switching missiles when I ran missions as I liked the 25% kinetic bonus on my tengu.

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