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Is it worthwhile to mission in low or null sec?
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Prototype SV-17
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-30 03:13:21 UTC
Are there greater LP and ISK rewards in lower security space?

If so, by what factor is LP greater in low and null sec compared to high sec, respectively? Is it worth the extra danger?

I was going to mission for Mordu's Legion (since I already have the highest standing with them), but they are deep in null. With interdiction sphere and the extra travel time spent circumventing campers, having gankers drop in during PvE fights and whatnot it doesn't seem like it can be worthwhile without huge bonuses in ISK and LP. Low sec being only slightly better with the exclusion of bubble camps.

Is it worthwhile or should I just stick to high sec?
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-05-30 03:37:16 UTC
Not worth the time or ship loss overhead cost. Don't bother.
Prototype SV-17
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-05-30 03:52:52 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Not worth the time or ship loss overhead cost. Don't bother.


Is 0.5 better than 1.0 in terms of rewards?
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-05-30 03:54:42 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Prototype SV-17 wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Not worth the time or ship loss overhead cost. Don't bother.


Is 0.5 better than 1.0 in terms of rewards?


Yes
GreenSeed
#5 - 2013-05-30 04:20:31 UTC
im assuming you are asking about doing lvl1s to lvl4s in low-null compared to high. so, as far a greater rewards, yes there's a higher payout and lp, but its crap. now, if you have practice and bother to get the lay of the land, lvl5s can be very profitable. just don't "do" the missions, just blitz them.

and LVL4s for FW can also be very profitable, but you will need your faction to have good warzone control. if you do FW regularly and keep yourself informed, you will find some pretty wide windows of opportunity to train a few lvl4s, specially on the timezone change.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#6 - 2013-05-30 05:23:57 UTC
if you find you feel 4's in hisec dont pay enough, I wouldn't go to low or null to run missions TBH. You can get better rewards for less risk IMHO. Yes it pays more. Due to external factors it doesn't always pay more per hour/gaming session.

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are serious business sir.

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Energetic Monk
Wayforward Emergent Technologies
#7 - 2013-05-30 06:32:25 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Prototype SV-17 wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Not worth the time or ship loss overhead cost. Don't bother.


Is 0.5 better than 1.0 in terms of rewards?


Yes

And places like Amo in the Tiat constellation pays out a little bit more, due to trusec being 0.47.
Etheral Queen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-05-30 15:41:50 UTC
Train up your social skills, you want security connections level 5 and negotiations level 5 but only train them to 5 after you have maxed everything else, in a 0.5 system for a good mission i was getting about 5m isk in mission rewards and 8000+ lp.

The difference in a 0.5 mission and a 1.0 mission in terms of rewards is about 60%, going from a 0.6 to a 0.5 is about 10%.

As your standing with the agent rises so do the rewards and the social skill helps you raise your standing faster but it isn't really necessary.
Fango Mango
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-30 15:53:38 UTC
Prototype SV-17 wrote:
Are there greater LP and ISK rewards in lower security space?

If so, by what factor is LP greater in low and null sec compared to high sec, respectively? Is it worth the extra danger?

I was going to mission for Mordu's Legion (since I already have the highest standing with them), but they are deep in null. With interdiction sphere and the extra travel time spent circumventing campers, having gankers drop in during PvE fights and whatnot it doesn't seem like it can be worthwhile without huge bonuses in ISK and LP. Low sec being only slightly better with the exclusion of bubble camps.

Is it worthwhile or should I just stick to high sec?



If you are running Level 4s . ..
You can make 50% more LP in low sec than you do in high sec.
Seeing how low sec is just as safe as high sec if you play smart running in low sec >> high sec

Syndicate agents don't provide a lot more LP than low sec, but you get to live in NPC null which actually makes running missions interesting instead of boring. If you like to have fun mission in NPC null. If you are looking for ISK/hour don't run L4s.


I mission exclusively in low/null sec with a 4 alt fleet.
I bring in approx ~ 500 mill/hour with that fleet.
I think that's about as good as a single player can do pVe. of course playing the market or owning a moon is more profitable per hour.

-FM
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#10 - 2013-05-30 16:05:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Prototype SV-17 wrote:
Are there greater LP and ISK rewards in lower security space?

If so, by what factor is LP greater in low and null sec compared to high sec, respectively? Is it worth the extra danger?

I was going to mission for Mordu's Legion (since I already have the highest standing with them), but they are deep in null. With interdiction sphere and the extra travel time spent circumventing campers, having gankers drop in during PvE fights and whatnot it doesn't seem like it can be worthwhile without huge bonuses in ISK and LP. Low sec being only slightly better with the exclusion of bubble camps.

Is it worthwhile or should I just stick to high sec?



I do null sec missions from time to time because it's "omg great" money (selling faction implants always = win) but it is usually a great big hassle. usually the choice is between using a ship that is good at running missions OR a ship that's hard(er) to catch when people come hunting OR a ship thats cheap enough to I won't mind losing. Getting camped into a station buy people planting bubbles on the undock is common.

If you are part of a group that "controls" the NPCnull space, null missions are great, if not it can be a chore. Syndicate was the very 1st place I lived outside of empire and my Alliance "controlled" a pocket constellation that had some Transteller shipping lvl 4 agents (which i had standings to since i'm been an empire mission runner before going to null). I didn't have the standings for the pirate agents so having those transteller agents was a God Send.


Low sec missioning (lvl 4s) is great because you can't get bubbled in and it's easier to use higher end ships (I use a Machariel in low sec, the MWD/Cloak trick has saved my bacon so many times). The rewards are good but not null sec good. And to be honest , the rewards aren't so much better that I do it alot over high sec missions. LVL 5 missions are a different beast, but they aren't really things you do for "fun" and the best way to do them (cherry picking blitzable missions, using carriers etc etc) involves some major headaches IMO.

Plainly put, if you LIKE danger, don't mind the annoying things and want to make a lot of isk, null and low missions are cool, otherwise not worth it.
Marsan
#11 - 2013-05-30 16:19:13 UTC
Honestly if you are willing to take the risks of LS then you'll make more isk farming faction warfare.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-05-30 17:37:39 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Marsan wrote:
Honestly if you are willing to take the risks of LS then you'll make more isk farming faction warfare.


^This. Except far less risk, since you'll be in a SB.
Marsan
#13 - 2013-05-30 20:16:34 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Marsan wrote:
Honestly if you are willing to take the risks of LS then you'll make more isk farming faction warfare.


^This. Except far less risk, since you'll be in a SB.


It really depends on how you do it, and if you are up for pvp. Personally I find on my FW alt that I make plenty of isk which in turn makes me more willing to risk frigates and cruisers.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Laura Dexx
Now Look What You've Made Me Do
#14 - 2013-05-30 20:28:54 UTC
Level 5s aren't worth a damn anymore. Better off running factional warfare plexes with stabbed frigates or level 4 fw missions with a bomber.
Fango Mango
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-05-30 20:37:47 UTC
Laura Dexx wrote:
Level 5s aren't worth a damn anymore. Better off running factional warfare plexes with stabbed frigates or level 4 fw missions with a bomber.



Level 5s aren't worth a damn? And then you suggest FW???

100K LP per mission, 1100 ISK per LP, 15 minutes per mission = 440 Million / Hour

I agree this is not the best ISK/Hour in the game (and requires work to convert your LP to ISK), but it is still better than FW or Incursions.

If CCP nerfed the "high end" PvE I would go back to L5s over FW/Incursions.

-FM
Laura Dexx
Now Look What You've Made Me Do
#16 - 2013-05-30 20:58:11 UTC
Fango Mango wrote:
Laura Dexx wrote:
Level 5s aren't worth a damn anymore. Better off running factional warfare plexes with stabbed frigates or level 4 fw missions with a bomber.



Level 5s aren't worth a damn? And then you suggest FW???

100K LP per mission, 1100 ISK per LP, 15 minutes per mission = 440 Million / Hour

I agree this is not the best ISK/Hour in the game (and requires work to convert your LP to ISK), but it is still better than FW or Incursions.

If CCP nerfed the "high end" PvE I would go back to L5s over FW/Incursions.

-FM


15 minutes per mission? Are you pulling that **** out of your ass? Also, enjoy crashing the market trying to cash out on anything actually worth 1K / LP.
Qalix
Long Jump.
#17 - 2013-05-30 21:18:37 UTC
for general future reference: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Missions_guide

I find your claim of 15 minutes per L5 dubious at best. But if its accurate, I'd like to know how you manage it.
Josef Djugashvilis
#18 - 2013-05-30 21:31:33 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Not worth the time or ship loss overhead cost. Don't bother.


^^^ this sums it up perfectly.

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Fango Mango
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-05-30 21:53:02 UTC
Qalix wrote:


I find your claim of 15 minutes per L5 dubious at best. But if its accurate, I'd like to know how you manage it.


Have you tried reading any of the *numerous* posts in my posting history about how to run L5s?

1 missions can be completed in less than 30 seconds.

2-3 can be completed in a couple minutes

4-5 more can be completed in ~20 minutes

Decline everything else.

You can easily run 4-5 missions per hour if you have a good system set up.
(using RR domi's and an auguror). No need for shiny ships.



-FM
Fango Mango
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-05-30 22:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Fango Mango
Laura Dexx wrote:


15 minutes per mission? Are you pulling that **** out of your ass? Also, enjoy crashing the market trying to cash out on anything actually worth 1K / LP.


Pulling that out of my extensive experience running L5s.

When I was running L5s I was unloading around 10-15 million LP worth of mods/ammo per month into Jita. I had a spreadsheet that told me what faction to mission for and what to sell. I consistently got between 1100 -> 1600 ISK/LP. While I could certainly crash any particular item, I just rotated through the 5-6 "good" items for each faction and sold when they were in my target price range. I usually cashed out my LP once a month or so, and I would sell out all the items long before my next cash out. Perhaps I was selling too low?

-FM

Pro - tip. Sell items that require tags. Those are player generated and there is a limit to their supply.

Edit 2 - A quick check of my old spreadsheet shows 32 items selling for above 1000 Isk/LP right now
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