Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If mining isn't just sitting in a asteroid belt, waiting for rats/neuts or the "asteroid depleted sound"... there is no progress in mining.



This is so true miners need safety... but why do we define safty with a security status of a system ? Mining isn't changing with your progress as miner.

In high sec you mine until a corp declare war on your corp... after that you sit on a starbase. After what it mentioned above, in 0.0 you sit in a belt until a neut is coming, after that you sit on a station.

i read a post about the spawn of rats in 0.0 and people saying it's all good... but what about chaning asteroid belts this way that mining and ratting whould be better done in a team ?

for example:

miners get ISK out of the asteroids -> combat pilotes get ISK out of ratting

with a stronger spawn in asteroid belts miners need combat pilotes to be safe in a belt and give a part of ther ISK to the combat pilot

maybe there could be a option to decline the bounty payout and that way the combat pilot bounty get bigger, also the miner could give a bit of his income to the combat pilot.

i allready posted somethin about this idea here.

I have to say I do like this idea and it actualy might bring more combat to mining systems if people would use the rorqual as a "safe heaven" when shield would be up.

But to balance things the shield would have to be like pos shield and it would need to comsume stront to be online or something and pvp players would need to have a way to reinforce it or shoot it down.

i can also wee alot of military applications for suchs a device and it would bring alot new fun stuff into combat.

So I realy don't see any down sides on this subject.

Reality check.

Of course I stick to my own space. Null is not for solo players to mine in space not their own, there is another place for that type of play. You either build on the efforts of your team by using the space they provided, or they actively guard you during your activity.

My point, is that as a part of a group effort, my alliance / corp has little chance of catching an enemy miner or ratter with current game mechanics.
Since they cannot be threatened realistically, my ability to compete with them is limited to either having more accounts, or a lot more time.
Neither is a valid expectation for many due to obvious real life limits, but for those willing and able it amounts to an "I WIN" button over those with less opportunity.

I want a way to play smarter, to make a better quality of effort that results in better rewards over the periods available to me to play in.
There is no competition unless someone needs to risk losing in order to win.

The way it should be.

multi-boxing is not the "Iwin" button you might think it is.

Unintended use of the Rorq .....the rorq would be in the belt where its meant to be .....that's not unintended....

For alot of people the ultimate pvp goal is the titan ....for the miners its the rorqual ....but wait.....I cant take it in highsec
....I cant have it in the belt to crush my ore .....its a massive sitting duck ...with no defence.

mining ships are weak ....orca's are weak ...rorquals need love ...ccp

I would not take the boost away from the rorqual that's its main attraction

I kind of like the idea of a temp pos rorq. How about this, The shield will turn on while it's running it's industrial core. So you're running the shield on Heavy water. You can add stront to your fuel bay to run a reinforce for 15-30min (i guess this would prevent you from jumping to another system at the spur of the moment and make you more committed to your current job.) This would give plenty of time to get a defense force ready to save your rorq. Would also give people a place to fight... Including miners who are able to reship and defend their territory instead of just being targets trying to warp away. And you don't have to way for 3 days!

Maybe with this a rorqual can no longer deploy in a PoS?
I say let mining commence from in the shield why not, ships can go through it and they're basically a collection of asteroids anyways. I do say no shooting through shield though.

If you're willing to field a 2.5b+ modules ship, why not get a bit of safety out of it. It takes up all the risk of the other ships. It is immobile. Greater chance to lose a rorq this way. Also greater chance to defend one too.

The thing about eve is that you can't put people on guard 24/7 like you would real life military stuff. Everything in eve is a choice and for fun. You can at any time decided to stop doing something and go do something else. What eve has right now is people who attack and people who either prevent attack or run. What we really need is defending. Right now our castle gates are open and anyone can come in and attack us directly. What we need is to get some closed gates that we can defend when someone comes knocking.

And if you do field a rorq somewhere to bubbleshield, even if it's just a random place somewhere, you have to remember the loss associated with it. Maybe they are saving someone or something but remember, the rorq can't move. You can't ninja jump it out when the shield goes down because it's going to be in an interdiction bubble. Even if you use it for combat, it would still be working as intended.

Anyone have any cons to this idea?

Problem is great ideals (not just your post but many of the posts above) - but realistically thats not going to attract people who own 3.5bn+ Rorquals to deploy them in belts like that, without a fairly reasonable amount of shield and long enough reinforced type mode (which would prevent them jumping out, etc.) to make it possible for them to round up backup they simply won't get used in the way people are proposing.

So Nikk Narrel You don't like the idea because you want to catch more miners unaware and pop them ??? WTF .....Mining is sposed to be safe for ********* who the **** builds your ships .....dam

You misunderstand.

I am a miner.

I do like your idea, but on the foundation that it can inspire mining away from the safety of outposts and POS, and players will have a reason and an excuse to actually take risks.

I want to compete with other miners, and need to be smarter and more clever so I can survive and prosper where they fail and explode.

See, my ore and ice is worth a lot more if less is out there, and fewer competing miners means less is out there.

Laura Dexx you are queen of the obvious ...I have owned a rorqual like many ....use haulers wow genius ....


And its not being lazy ...this fourm area is for ideas ...my idea is at the beginning ....simple idea to make more use of a awesome ship.