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tim yang
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-29 21:02:59 UTC
So i'v recently gotten into muli-boxing quite heavily with my alts and i seem to have come close to capping out my pc.

I was wondering what an idea PC build would be to run as many eve clients as possible off the 1 pc.
Try to keep it not so insane in price. 2-3k

And how many clients you think it can run.

Im currently running 12 eve clients on an old alx x58. 12gb ram , i7 970 and, and 2 gtx 295's

Thanks for the help.
Rengerel en Distel
#2 - 2013-05-29 22:39:27 UTC
2-3k to better enable yourself to not socialize with other people in a MMO? There are probably better uses for the money, many of which conclude with happy endings.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Toxin Nostromo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-05-29 22:51:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Toxin Nostromo
tim yang wrote:
So i'v recently gotten into muli-boxing quite heavily with my alts and i seem to have come close to capping out my pc.

I was wondering what an idea PC build would be to run as many eve clients as possible off the 1 pc.
Try to keep it not so insane in price. 2-3k

And how many clients you think it can run.

Im currently running 12 eve clients on an old alx x58. 12gb ram , i7 970 and, and 2 gtx 295's

Thanks for the help.


How many do you intend to run? Also the purpose. If your intent is POS bashing and/or mining. You can go with quite a few. I did 5 off an, well old now Intel 3.2 Core 2 Duo. That's pretty old in todays standards.

Some things to increase performance client side.
Disable sound in the client
Turn down the effects.

I would have one client with sound with everything jacked up on graphics, everything else scaled pretty much all the way down.

A simple Intel i5, i7 should do the trick. If you want to do more then that you'll want to sit down when you see what two Intel Xeon CPU's cost. It would be cheaper to built two i5 PC's and use a keyboard multiplexer or a software solution to use both PC's at once.

Hope that's helpful.

edit: Plus side the new i5,i7 use less power. So you don't have to install a 30amp line for your outlet. Also they run cooler. So you don't have to spend a ton on AC trying to keep the room cool. Things to think about! I learned the hard way.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#4 - 2013-05-29 23:03:31 UTC
AMD 4Ghz 8 core CPUs (FX-8350) are great for this kind of thing because the EVE client is not multi-threaded, and you can then put the $$ you save into a better video subsystem.







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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-05-29 23:19:40 UTC
My first though is you need more ram. Having run 8 clients in the past myself, 12 clients on 12Gb is pushing it. I run 4 now on an i7930 with 6Gb and they can chew through that easily. I would also download GPU-Z and take a look at the utilization of the video cards.

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#6 - 2013-05-30 04:30:39 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
2-3k to better enable yourself to not socialize with other people in a MMO? There are probably better uses for the money, many of which conclude with happy endings.


I got a massage with a happy ending once.

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are serious business sir.

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Zak Breen
Breen Enterprises
#7 - 2013-05-30 04:43:08 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
2-3k to better enable yourself to not socialize with other people in a MMO? There are probably better uses for the money, many of which conclude with happy endings.


Most worthless and unhelpful comment award. ^

OP, some suggestions:

Turn down all graphical settings to lowest on your alts
Use multiple computers if possible (ideal, really)
If you can't use multiple computers, you could perhaps try putting some of the accounts on a separate HDD/SSD to improve performance
Disable any background apps you might have running that aren't necessary
Turn off Windows services that aren't necessary to free up resources (kinda advanced but can help)

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-05-30 04:48:56 UTC
EVE caps out RAM before anything else.
I run 6 client's tops on my 12gb ram and it starts getting shaky so 12gb for 12 clients seems very low.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-05-30 06:33:05 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
2-3k to better enable yourself to not socialize with other people in a MMO? There are probably better uses for the money, many of which conclude with happy endings.


Probably doesn't want to socialize cause of trolls like you. Just sayin,

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tim yang
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-05-30 13:04:58 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
EVE caps out RAM before anything else.
I run 6 client's tops on my 12gb ram and it starts getting shaky so 12gb for 12 clients seems very low.


Ive herd the real limiting factor is the CPU where the CPU can really only handle 2 eve clients per core. Hence a 8 core cpu would be able to support 16 clients max. Im not sure if this is completely true or not.

I know i can buy a cheap ram rig with 32 or 64gb or ram but, if their is no point due to a cpu limiter, id like to know that before hand.

As stated before, i run 12 clients on this alx, i can run a further 8 on my Asus republic of gamers laptop but id like to buy a further 20 miners for a grand total of 40 guys mining.

And yes, i know how to increase performance by reducing games settings, and that buying computers for gaming is expensive, but as im already married, i don't need to spend money on getting happy endings as you suggested.

My plan is to buy one more rig if possible, or 2 if not, to reach this 40 char goal. I use inerspace's ISBoxer to multibox so i can connect up to 5 PC's at a time to multibox off of.
GreenSeed
#11 - 2013-05-30 13:36:33 UTC  |  Edited by: GreenSeed
the limiting factor is the architecture. any extra ram or processor will yield a marginal increase.

at 15 clients you are putting your chipset under stress it was not designed to take. i would recommend you cool at least the northbridge. even top of the line consumer Motherboards, specially the ones for Intel CPUs, don't use active cooling. even if you put enough RAM, CPU cores, and VRAM to run all those clients, your motherboard is the one that has to make the data flow. and lowering resolution, texture quality, etc, does nothing to reduce the 30/35 active threads any client has at any given moment, plus all the HD reads and specially the cache writes, and don't forget each client has its own pipe to the VGA.

chances are your motherboard is already phisically damaged. :p

the main problem is that the clients are ran as separate processes with no attempt at saving threads or cycles, even when the modern windows cache does a great job at saving your hd from dying and keeping your internal buses from clogging up with more than 3 clients open, its still far from optimal for anything over 10 clients.

like i said, the increase in performance, or ability to run more clients, is marginal. your bottleneck is not on the processor, ram or vga, its on the hardware that connects all 3. and the consideration of hardware degradation starts to get very real, something not often taken into account on home pcs. you might as well buy a new pc, where the bus limitation is simply not there. there's a lot of software to manage and control multiple pcs on one monitor.

as soon as you consider hardware degradation, and like you said, you cant afford to have to replace hardware every year, you'll see that its a no brainer, get a new pc.
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-05-30 14:48:24 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
2-3k to better enable yourself to not socialize with other people in a MMO? There are probably better uses for the money, many of which conclude with happy endings.


Are people who play Age of Empires online cooperatively and/or competively more anti-social than an Eve player?

Controlling more than one unit at the same time does not make you ant-social. There are plenty of anti-social single boxers out there.

That said to each his own in my opinion.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#13 - 2013-05-30 15:29:47 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
2-3k to better enable yourself to not socialize with other people in a MMO? There are probably better uses for the money, many of which conclude with happy endings.


Not everyone has to purchase their friends and happy endings. I'm not so sure it's the OP whom is spending money unwisely.

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Britta Nolen
Sama Guild
#14 - 2013-05-31 12:42:50 UTC
tim yang wrote:
So i'v recently gotten into muli-boxing quite heavily with my alts and i seem to have come close to capping out my pc.

I was wondering what an idea PC build would be to run as many eve clients as possible off the 1 pc.
Try to keep it not so insane in price. 2-3k

And how many clients you think it can run.

Im currently running 12 eve clients on an old alx x58. 12gb ram , i7 970 and, and 2 gtx 295's

Thanks for the help.

If all your doing is mining.....
Good news: You need more ram.
Bad news: Ram prices have gone up sharply in the last six months.

Aim for 32gb ram for comfort, turn down graphics, & get an ssd {aim for one with really good random read/writes instead of overall xfer rate}. I have never SLI'd on eve so no comments on that.
Britta Nolen
Sama Guild
#15 - 2013-05-31 12:52:16 UTC
War Kitten wrote:

Not everyone has to purchase their friends and happy endings. I'm not so sure it's the OP whom is spending money unwisely.


Ummm, what. "No man would buy a house if he could get laid in a cardboard box." That's the entirety of civilization.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-05-31 14:10:24 UTC
Eve helped my social life.


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