EVE General Discussion

If cynos where changed. An open discussion of how Cynos effect PVP/PVE game play in eve.


I would like to have a talk about Cynos, and about how changes to them would effect game play with out getting in to a suggest thread in F&I or completely derailing other threads.

See it as brain storming in the section of the eve forums with the most eyes to view it and contribute to the discussion, as all threads in F&I quickly fade away after the 10 or 20 people active in that section post.


I'm wanting to see what people think the pros and cons of changing cynos would be.


No Cyno within 350km of Stations, OutPosts, POS's and Gates.




A few brain storming words/phrases.


Adverse effects.
Hotdrops.
Risk.
Rewards.
Effort.
Interdiction.
Blockades.
Alliances.
Small Gang.
Logistics.
Game Play.

I like cynos the way they are.

That tread is a completely different subject.

If during that discussion some one spark my interest in talking about a different part of the eve game play that might or might not relate in some way to a small part of a Current thread discussing the game play of eve online.




Besides the other thread has currently devolved in to a CSM member whining about Null sec industry.

The big reason "some people" want cynos/logistics/jump bridging etc etc nerfed seems to be the belief that in some way it will foster more pvp.

People who think that just don't understand how human nature works (if they did they'd see why 3/4ths of EVE's characters are in high sec when the majority of EVE space is not-high-sec and high sec has the lowest "rewards" of all space).

The most probable outcome is simply fewer people/groups taking risks. If players couldn't jump from null to low (for example) with a high degree of certainty that they won't lose an expensive jump-capable ship and it's cargo, rather than jump and risk death (or bring friends) the average person just won't jump.

Right now, even with Cynos on stations many people won't jump to null sec with a single non-blue in system (i will, but I'm crazy).

This makes logistics harder, which raises prices of things in null sec and raises the hassle factor for lots of people. End result: null sec becomes even less attractive than it is right now.

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History is the best teacher and history teaches that inserting more inconvenience into a voluntary experience (like living/playing/fighting in null sec) means fewer people bothering to continue seeking the experience.

Look at high Sec incursions, a minor balance pass to tame some of the farming (ie introducing more frigs or changing how waves spawn) DECIMATED the incursion running community. Look at null sec military upgrades, a minor change to anomaly line up per system started an exodus from null that null STILL hasn't recovered from. There are lots of examples.

I know the idea sounds good in your head (cynos away from stations/structures), but it would hurt pvp and player interactions in unintended ways. The current way isn't perfect, but it at least does still allow people to keep supplied and that keeps the null sec destruction engine going and EVERYONE (whether they admit it or not) has a stake in this cycle continuing in strong fashion.

Reasoned response.



And a re-direct to another issue.

I guess the claim being made here is that everyone would simply pack up and move to highsec? I doubt it. And if they did, CCP then has all the incentive they need to actually improve null to the point where people want to move out there.

I'm not trolling at all, I just think these additional brain-storming words/phrases should be included with your original brain-storming words/phrases list because they are relevant to a discussion about cynos.

I don't know if you're purposefully contradicting or not, but claiming the game's subs would drop by half is claiming people would quit the game. Neither claim, of course, has any bearing on how good or bad an idea is. They're just vacuous opinions with absolutely no explanation.

I don't personally care if null is a magnet for players either. I chose to live their before because it was the place for unrestricted pvp. I agree CCP should focus on finding solutions to the problems here, but if you can't accept that effortless logistics and projection are part of the problem then I have to wonder what you think the problems are.

…fewer supers and capitals being put in harm's way, meaning fewer dead caps. They'd be deployed when victory is certain — resulting in more blobbing.


Let's put it this way: what problem are you trying to solve?

There's a Big deference between removing cynos and Moving cynos from right next to thing, if you can't guard your space well enough or your mid point well enough to feel its safe to jump that's not your system, the people that's living next to you are allowing you to stay there for easy kills.

I have a better idea: stop posting.