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Why is there no way for us to attack supply lines in eve?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#161 - 2013-05-29 18:03:57 UTC
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:
And you would need to defend these items in transport, and people would wish to attack them.

And interesting game play in born.


We have a lot of titans, hope this helps.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#162 - 2013-05-29 18:04:03 UTC
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


With or without jump freighters we would be importing just about everything because we simply cannot make it out in null.



And you would need to defend these items in transport, and people would wish to attack them.

And interesting game play in born.





PL dump their supers onto your convoy. Now what?

Simple fact is, the convoy cant work these days due to the numbers out there and we will simply revert to using carriers. If you stop us from using carriers as freighters then smaller alliances in the harder to get to areas will be crushed and it will be that much harder to attack the big powerblocks. Convoys have had their day.
Danni stark
#163 - 2013-05-29 18:07:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
PL dump their supers onto your convoy. Now what?


be a man, cyno in some heavy interdictors and have at them.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Stonecrusher Mortlock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2013-05-29 18:13:33 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Gwenywell Shumuku wrote:


Really beeing patient here, but what makes you think that this discussion revolves around your personal EGO of living in Venal? I don't really care. I don't even care if you think i know or don't anything about EvE, if i would have wanted to i would have posted with my MAIN no? Bear

Its not about EGOs....try looking past that and coming back to interesting disussions.


Try listening to people WHO LIVED IN THE TIMES YOU SPEAK OF AND KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

Its nothing at all to do with ego, I am simply saying what used to happen and why your idea would hurt this game.




You said you fully lived in the middle of someones space with out JF, and a good industry system and constantly got fights?

Compared to now?
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#165 - 2013-05-29 18:15:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
More useful nullsec industry slots benefits highsec players by giving them more free highsec industry slots.
oh hohoho, we think we're funny, do we, tippia?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#166 - 2013-05-29 18:16:24 UTC
Also all this would do is force fleet sizes to get smaller, reducing the scale of fights. Pubbies might consider this a good thing because THE BLOB is the excuse du jour for not leaving the safety, comfort and convenience of hisec but ultimately interest dwindles and people stop playing.

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#167 - 2013-05-29 18:20:57 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
PL dump their supers onto your convoy. Now what?


be a man, cyno in some heavy interdictors and have at them.


You first. Let us know how that works out for you, though.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Yula Khardula
#168 - 2013-05-29 18:22:18 UTC
Andski wrote:
Also all this would do is force fleet sizes to get smaller, reducing the scale of fights. Pubbies might consider this a good thing because THE BLOB is the excuse du jour for not leaving the safety, comfort and convenience of hisec but ultimately interest dwindles and people stop playing.


I too, hunger for node death and blueballs.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#169 - 2013-05-29 18:23:14 UTC
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:




You said you fully lived in the middle of someones space with out JF, and a good industry system and constantly got fights?

Compared to now?


The days of RUST were good ones and NC were even more farmable than IRC, CFC and HBC have ever been. Mind you back then the death of a super was something special.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#170 - 2013-05-29 18:24:30 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:


You first. Let us know how that works out for you, though.


DBRB loved it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#171 - 2013-05-29 18:25:39 UTC
Yula Khardula wrote:
Andski wrote:
Also all this would do is force fleet sizes to get smaller, reducing the scale of fights. Pubbies might consider this a good thing because THE BLOB is the excuse du jour for not leaving the safety, comfort and convenience of hisec but ultimately interest dwindles and people stop playing.


I too, hunger for node death and blueballs.


Havent had node death for years now. TiDi is by far the best thing to hit EVE after they added the megathron.
Danni stark
#172 - 2013-05-29 18:28:38 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
You first. Let us know how that works out for you, though.


but i am just one man, i can't cyno myself in.

edit: nor can i fly a heavy interdictor for that matter...

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Stonecrusher Mortlock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2013-05-29 18:29:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
March rabbit wrote:

- 0.0 industry needs a buff
- logistics needs a nerf

And that's strange that out CSM representatives only speak about 1st half of the problem. And completely ignore 2nd half.
Nah. It's just that the former makes the latter a moot point.




And we are still left with the main point of this thread, no way to effectively stop the resupply of your enemy's.


THAT was the only point of this thread, You can not effectively run a interdiction on supply's, if thos supply's HAVE NO TRANSPORT TIME.

The fact these supply's make there trip all most instantly is the problem.


Make it so Cynos cannot be lit on grid with Station's, Outposts, POS's, or gates.

THAT solution would do a WORLD of good for eve, the amount of PVP created by that change would be massive.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#174 - 2013-05-29 18:30:12 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Tippia wrote:
More useful nullsec industry slots benefits highsec players by giving them more free highsec industry slots.
oh hohoho, we think we're funny, do we, tippia?

No. Just obvious.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#175 - 2013-05-29 18:36:34 UTC
It is so tiresome to see people arguing to not make x,y,z changes because it will hurt the small corps living out in null space. There is no small corps in null. Only coalitions. If you can point out a non-gimmick corp living in null that relys only on itself for logistics, you are lying.

The arguments to not make changes because it will hurt the little guy and only help the big guy is ridiculous and full of holes.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#176 - 2013-05-29 18:39:31 UTC
If you move industry to null-sec, then there needs to be the possibility to sabotage enemy production facilities or raid them or temporarily disable or impair them. Else you just have the same situation as now minus jump freighters with all production being done in next to 100% save space. Though that would need to be balanced properly, too, lest production stays in hig-sec if the cost of sustaining hom production is greater than the time and jump fuel costs.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2013-05-29 18:40:09 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
It is so tiresome to see people arguing to not make x,y,z changes because it will hurt the small corps living out in null space. There is no small corps in null. Only coalitions. If you can point out a non-gimmick corp living in null that relys only on itself for logistics, you are lying.

The arguments to not make changes because it will hurt the little guy and only help the big guy is ridiculous and full of holes.


Define "relies only on itself". While we're at it, define "small."

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
DerArt1st
Doomheim
#178 - 2013-05-29 18:46:50 UTC
It needed like 5-6 years until ccp noticed that lowsec is somewhat broken even when everybody told them so i wouldnt hope for a change for the next years in that matter.
Spurty
#179 - 2013-05-29 18:49:40 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
It is so tiresome to see people arguing to not make x,y,z changes because it will hurt the small corps living out in null space. There is no small corps in null. Only coalitions. If you can point out a non-gimmick corp living in null that relys only on itself for logistics, you are lying.

The arguments to not make changes because it will hurt the little guy and only help the big guy is ridiculous and full of holes.


Define "relies only on itself". While we're at it, define "small."


Show us the CORPORATION with no blues or an alliance that has held for some time (long enough for logistics to be a pain monthly) and currently still holds SOV and we'll show you your 'small and reliant on itself' definitions. You may have issues here. Marlona has already explained why.


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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#180 - 2013-05-29 18:52:29 UTC
I'd venture that the vast majority of logistics is done at a corporation level, so bringing in blue-donut crying is a non sequitur.

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