EVE General Discussion

Exactly.

Just like when CCP changed the military upgrade system in null (because under the old way, every null system was basically "equal") with the purpose of "giving groups a reason to fight over space". but they didn't consider High Sec incursions, Faction Warfare, lvl 5 missioning, null npc region lvl missions etc etc, so people just went and did things other than anom farming, large swaths of null that at least had a few ratters turned back into the (pre-military upgrade system) deserts they were before.

A change meant to spur conflict resulted in less conflict. No one fights over ratting space.

To kind of fix that they came back and rebuff null anoms along a basically new "EHP per isk" scheme and it worked a bit, now THAT's getting nerfed with more small ships in lower tier anoms like forsaken hubs and less frigs in Sanctums (the same Sanctums that are now very rare thanks to the 1st nerf).

Madness I tell you lol. And yet people want ccp to do the same kind of things in other areas of the game without considering the potential consequences. Many people just won't "convoy up" and risk corp assets in a freighter that has to be webbed from high sec to the depths of null nor will they re-add the industrial wongs that died when jump bridges we're intruduced IMO. The big alliances will just control more of null sec more easily and pass the buck for ship replacement down tot he corps and grunts.

Kind of funny how ideas meant to Spur PVP always end up causing less PVP.....OMG I just figured out my very own Lex Malcanis!

This can't be said enough. It's ironic (in a double standard kind of way) that so many high sec peeps say "you can't make me go to null" while at the same time supporting a status quo where they benifit/profit from null players who would rather be in null but can't because Empire is so much more lucrative..

Not just "go", but also the all-important "be there doing stuff". "Doing stuff" is really the key point. Having 10k more people in nullsec who are just playing other games while waiting for pings to go shoot structures isn't exactly the ideal outcome of changes. What we really want more than anything is more stuff to do, more people would just be an additional bonus.

I'm at a loss to see why anyone would commit BPO's/assets to sov null for manufacturing purposes unless compelled to do so - eg supers/titans.

Why is it always about making the running of SPACE EMPIRES EASIER at the expense of interesting game play options?


You don't like doing it someone else will, you want fights but wish to risk nothing to get them, you want supply's but to not wish to do the effort to get them.



You can never have your cake and eat it to.

And you would need to defend these items in transport, and people would wish to attack them.

And interesting game play in born.






You dot get it? This is not a thread about OMFG THEY IMPORT EVERYTHING its a thread about you doing so and with your logistic wing using 1/10000000000 of there brain power being 99% safe during the hole trip, with no way for a player to EFFECTIVELY attack your supply lines. O i could go gank 2 or 3 freighters, then have to spend weeks getting standing.

I would rather attack convoys, in low sec and null and get fun fights out of it.


But that would add EFFORT to running space empires and make smaller groups and pirates able to kill people with 10000 small cuts if thing are not done to stop them, and here CCP harps on and on about the Enablers of EvE.







The fact there's 20,000 OTHER industrialists driving prices down to dirt cheap?

what effort? training a JF and using a small part of your brain?



I DO logistics, did them at the start and do them now, i also hunted convoys as well.


I know fully how little effort is required to safely move items around null sec it is.

This is another utterly moot discussion. The reason we took the CSM for null and will keep it in perpetuity is so that chucklefuk outsider-looking-in ideas like this don't get implemented. It will never happen.

All this thread will be good for is the usual "making clueless hisec scrublords demonstrate their cluelessness", which is admittedly fun, but more and more pointless as we "nullsec zealots" continue our inexorable ascendancy.

There not "invulnerable" but it takes MASSIVE errors for you to die.


Go and ask your alliances Logistic wing how often they really die, and if they tell you its to anything other than the random ganking of there NPC corp JF alt, fire them as there completely incompetent and should not hold that office.


My friends 7 year old plays eve for 8 months now and safely supply's his corps 37 members with supply's in NPC null sec. You know how many times he has died doing it in the last 4 months scene he started? NONE.

A 7 year old can out smart every pirate and gate camp alliance member and leader in eve, how? Checking local, and not going afk in less docked, and NPC corp. tell me if a 7 year old can do it how often do you think the people that do it every day and know every trick in the book and every way it can be safely done for there alliances die?



SO, is it to easy? YES.

What is that beeping noise? Oh yea now I know, I just haven't heard my bullshit detector make THAT much noise since monoclegate that I forgot what it sounds like.