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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-28 19:45:29 UTC
1) I was told med ecm drones are the better choice compared to light or heavy. Why?

2) I heard 5 ecm drones give you 25% chance of jamming a player. So each drone worth 5% correct? How often does that 5% get applied. Every...10sec? 20 etc

3) to kill drones ive heard of smart bombs and moving away so drones follow you and makes easy for weapons to track. But then i was thinking that would depend on the speed of the ship no? How fast before moving away makes a difference for weapon tracking?

4) everywhere i read its all about gallante drones. Occasionally warrior. Do the other race drones get that little love? The balance on them is so lop sided?
Rengerel en Distel
#2 - 2013-05-28 21:15:04 UTC
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Drones_101
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Drones_102

You really should try google at some point instead of posting all these threads.
There is absolutely nothing about any part of eve that isn't covered somewhere on the net.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-28 21:28:15 UTC
wardens are caldari and they are very good, better than garde in most cases. Warden are good for long range and garde are good for closer.

The amarr sentries are very good against sansha. Not necessarily the incursion type though.

Mostly what you need to worry about is damage type though, you can find a list of what rats weaknesses are and what they deal. If you know what your going to be shooting at choose your drones accordingly. As far as PVP uses its all a gamble usually.
GreenSeed
#4 - 2013-05-28 21:40:52 UTC
racial differences are on tracking, optimal, speed and damage type.

warriors are the fastest, they are by far the best ones to use against small ships. people usually recommend hobs because term damage is in average the best damage against rats. since no faction is particularly strong against it, but on pvp you want your drones on target. hobs suck at that. (they are the slowest.)


and as far as how far they need to be for your guns to be effective http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0910/eve-tracking101.swf
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-05-28 22:24:02 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
wardens are caldari and they are very good


Hahahahaahaha quit trollin.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-05-29 01:44:51 UTC
the EVE uni the information about drones said that ECM drones have a stacking penalty...then next paragraph it said they dont have a stacking penalty because ECM is random.

Someone told me 5 drones have a 25% chance of jamming a player. So does one drone have a 5% chance of jamming a player? or is that 25% because of stacking penalties mean one drone has a 10%(or some other %) chance of jamming?
Rengerel en Distel
#7 - 2013-05-29 02:45:33 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
the EVE uni the information about drones said that ECM drones have a stacking penalty...then next paragraph it said they dont have a stacking penalty because ECM is random.

Someone told me 5 drones have a 25% chance of jamming a player. So does one drone have a 5% chance of jamming a player? or is that 25% because of stacking penalties mean one drone has a 10%(or some other %) chance of jamming?


Quote:
ECM

The Caldari EW drones can jam a target ship's ability to target you. This not only drops current locks that target may have, but also makes them unable to lock again for a short time. These drones are roughly equivalent to multispectral jamming modules, not the more powerful race-specific jammers.

Skills required:

Hornet EC-300: Drones V, Electronic Warfare IV, Electronics I, Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing I
Vespa EC-600: Drones V, Electronic Warfare IV, Electronics I, Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing II
Wasp EC-900: Drones V, Electronic Warfare IV, Electronics I, Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing III

ECM EW drones:
Hornet EC-300 Vespa EC-600 Wasp EC-900
Size m3 5 10 25
Velocity m/sec 3200 2750 2000
Optimal m 5K 7.5K 10K

EC-300s (scout) have a jam strength of 1.0, EC-600s (medium) have a jam strength of 1.5, and EC-900s (heavy) have a jam strength of 2.0. ECM drones suffer no stacking penalty, but do not benefit from any pilot ECM-related skills, which are limited only to their ship.

Quote:
Use ECM drones in large numbers to increase your chance of getting a jam. They can come in very handy for breaking target locks, and escaping an adversary. Yes, you'll abandon your drones in that case, but that is a cheap price to pay for living to fight another day. Unlike the other three kinds of EWAR drones, ECM drones are unaffected by stacking penalties.

Quote:
Remember, ECM drones do not suffer any stacking penalties for multiple jam attempts. All it takes is one ECM drone to jam your target to break their lock, and any tackling mods will be broken, so that you escape.


Perhaps i'm missing it, but where exactly does it say they have a stacking penalty?
I'm beginning to really think you're just a troll, because no one could ask so many different random questions, and utterly fail to read any of the information they're given.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Grandpa Bill
Twin Lakes Retirement Home
#8 - 2013-05-29 03:15:35 UTC
I hear the government is using Drones to watch our every move! Ive taken this into account when I was planning on my escape from the home. Since they see from above I had a series of wigs I made from used mop heads I stolen from the janitor. I colored each of them different, but the plan fell apart when one of the nurses found em.

A snoop she is I tell you. Ever since then she comes into my room and looks through it like she owns the place. I filed a complaint to the staff last week but havnt received a answer to as when they will address the problem.

Grandpa Bill
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-05-29 03:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciyrine
@regenerel http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Using_Drones

Quote:
Ewar Drones
Most electronic warfare drones aren't actually very useful. This is because their effects are subject to stacking penalties, which makes them very underwhelming compared to ship-mounted ewar......

However, because of the chance-based nature of ECM, ECM drones are not subject to stacking penalties. Although individually they have quite low chances to jam, a full flight of them is surprisingly effective, particularly against medium- and small-sized ships which have lower sensor strengths. You can use them to reduce the DPS you take over the course of a fight, or to give you an opportunity to escape by jamming whatever's tackling you. They really shine in small gang situations


I ask a lot of questions because I read a lot so I come across a ton of NEW information every day. So relax and continue to be useful
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-05-29 03:19:09 UTC
Grandpa Bill wrote:
I hear the government is using Drones to watch our every move! Ive taken this into account when I was planning on my escape from the home. Since they see from above I had a series of wigs I made from used mop heads I stolen from the janitor. I colored each of them different, but the plan fell apart when one of the nurses found em.

A snoop she is I tell you. Ever since then she comes into my room and looks through it like she owns the place. I filed a complaint to the staff last week but havnt received a answer to as when they will address the problem.

Lol welcome back pops!

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-05-29 03:23:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciyrine
oh and is it correct that 5 ecm drones = 25% chance of jamming?

does that mean 1 drone = 5% chance or is the math different in some way?

why was i told the only ECM drones worth using are medium when large have more ECM ability?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#12 - 2013-05-29 04:00:29 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Ciyrine wrote:
oh and is it correct that 5 ecm drones = 25% chance of jamming?

does that mean 1 drone = 5% chance or is the math different in some way?

why was i told the only ECM drones worth using are medium when large have more ECM ability?


It is not correct. Look up ECM mechanics to see why.


Larges are also slower. But none of us can tell why someone told you anything. We are not that person.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#13 - 2013-05-29 08:21:04 UTC
Grandpa Bill wrote:
I hear the government is using Drones to watch our every move! Ive taken this into account when I was planning on my escape from the home. Since they see from above I had a series of wigs I made from used mop heads I stolen from the janitor. I colored each of them different, but the plan fell apart when one of the nurses found em.

A snoop she is I tell you. Ever since then she comes into my room and looks through it like she owns the place. I filed a complaint to the staff last week but havnt received a answer to as when they will address the problem.

Ahh Grandpa Bill, its good to have you back.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Rengerel en Distel
#14 - 2013-05-29 13:36:04 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
@regenerel http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Using_Drones

Quote:
Ewar Drones
Most electronic warfare drones aren't actually very useful. This is because their effects are subject to stacking penalties, which makes them very underwhelming compared to ship-mounted ewar......

However, because of the chance-based nature of ECM, ECM drones are not subject to stacking penalties. Although individually they have quite low chances to jam, a full flight of them is surprisingly effective, particularly against medium- and small-sized ships which have lower sensor strengths. You can use them to reduce the DPS you take over the course of a fight, or to give you an opportunity to escape by jamming whatever's tackling you. They really shine in small gang situations


I ask a lot of questions because I read a lot so I come across a ton of NEW information every day. So relax and continue to be useful


So your own quote says they don't suffer stacking penalties. The links i posted say they don't have stacking penalties. Yet, you still keep asking if they have stacking penalties. How many different ways can you be told NO, THEY DON'T HAVE STACKING PENALTIES?
If you flip a quarter 5 times, and you have a 50/50 shot each time to land on heads, does that mean you have a 250% chance of landing on heads? No. It means each time, you have a 50/50 shot to land on heads. Each drone has a 5% chance to jam. One drone has a 5% chance. Two drones each have a 5% chance, etc.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-05-29 15:18:50 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Ciyrine wrote:
oh and is it correct that 5 ecm drones = 25% chance of jamming?

does that mean 1 drone = 5% chance or is the math different in some way?

why was i told the only ECM drones worth using are medium when large have more ECM ability?


It is not correct. Look up ECM mechanics to see why.

Larges are also slower. But none of us can tell why someone told you anything. We are not that person.


according to rengerel it is correct

Quote:
So your own quote says they don't suffer stacking penalties. The links i posted say they don't have stacking penalties. Yet, you still keep asking if they have stacking penalties. How many different ways can you be told NO, THEY DON'T HAVE STACKING PENALTIES?
If you flip a quarter 5 times, and you have a 50/50 shot each time to land on heads, does that mean you have a 250% chance of landing on heads? No. It means each time, you have a 50/50 shot to land on heads. Each drone has a 5% chance to jam. One drone has a 5% chance. Two drones each have a 5% chance, etc


the quote i posted about stacking penalties was confusing to a new player. On one hand it says EW drones have stacking penalty and on other it said ECM drones dont have stacking penalty. I now realize that ECM drones are a subset of EW drones but initially I was confused by the contradiction

Is that 5% per drone for the large....medium drones?
Sishen Gzi
Hellion Support Services
#16 - 2013-05-29 18:04:56 UTC
Quote:
The chance of one module to jam one ship on one cycle is p = ECM strength / ship sensor strength.


This question has also been answered, there is no fixed percent chance to jam, the 5% number has no context and is meaningless. The chance that ECM succeeds varies depending on the target ships sensor rating If you had looked up the ecm mechanics you would have found the formula that will tells you the chance for a successful jam. Small drones have a strength of 1.0 medium 1.5 and large are 2.0 against an unaltered hurricane with a sensor strength of 16 for example small drones chances are 1/16 or 6.25% mediums are 1.5/16 or 9.375% and large ecm drones with 2/16 have a 12.5% chance of individually achieving a successful jam, there are skills and modules that will increase a ships sensor strength, nothing increases a drones strength although I haven't examined the newer modules and rigs