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Wormholes nerfed ?

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Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors
Brotherhood Of Silent Space
#41 - 2013-05-27 08:29:00 UTC
So i give also my 2 cent to this thread,

Normaly, i post only in the german forum.

i life since 2011 in WH-Space.
And i can say, on the moment everything is more or less normal.
We get more K162 WH on the end of the Week. Fr- Sun we have Normaly 3 - 4 Wormholes.
Under the Week,we got our Static and from time to time a K162.

Also the spawn rate of sites and signatures are increased on weekends.

I heared rumors, in the german forum, that CCP Soundwave said, he has plans to nerf WH system.
Can someone give me more details on that ?

Sorry for my english, i am not a natural speaker

best regards

Kira Hhallas

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Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#42 - 2013-05-27 09:13:56 UTC
Kira Hhallas wrote:
I heared rumors, in the german forum, that CCP Soundwave said, he has plans to nerf WH system.

I don't know if or what Soundwave has said, but I'm sure he didn't use the word "nerf". So you should include your opinion of what would be a nerf to wh space.

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ProbeAlt2
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-05-27 09:18:27 UTC
that what I noticed and that the majority have responded on this forum, there is a significant and regular Augementation of wormholes (I mean of course inter-connections wormholes) I think it is a nerf,

but why ?

because the majority of wormhole corporation is small groups of 10-20 players and bind us one to another, although each has its own interests coproration, it'll create a situation of perpetual struggle

Example I lived and I've seen, it's simple, any corporation we probed and they probed us too. did not fight did not make pve. they were just watching us and we even

that is why I think it is a nerf.

this is the strategy of chains (linking people has different interests to play together. inevitably leads to conflicts and incapacity to do anything itself)











Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#44 - 2013-05-27 11:13:25 UTC
ProbeAlt2 wrote:
it'll create a situation of perpetual struggle

And the problem with a situation of perpetual struggle in null security space is...?

ProbeAlt2 wrote:


Example I lived and I've seen, it's simple, any corporation we probed and they probed us too. did not fight did not make pve. they were just watching us and we even

So you are cowardly carebears and you met other cowardly carebears, and both of you cowered down, trembling in fear of each other. Pathetic.

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Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors
Brotherhood Of Silent Space
#45 - 2013-05-27 11:41:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Kira Hhallas
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Kira Hhallas wrote:
I heared rumors, in the german forum, that CCP Soundwave said, he has plans to nerf WH system.

I don't know if or what Soundwave has said, but I'm sure he didn't use the word "nerf". So you should include your opinion of what would be a nerf to wh space.


So that i said i need more information. "Rumors" = Gerüchte.
i never directly quote him.
My last information was from the forum that CCP Soundwave talked about that WH are to easy are to defend.
So thats why i asked, if someone has more information.

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Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-05-28 12:50:48 UTC
ProbeAlt2 wrote:

well how can we do sites if there 5 corporation right next door, that mean impossible to run sites, well that reduce significantly money income, which mean nerf of wromholes


I think you personally feel little nerfed
DrBmN
Lippstadt Creed
Solyaris Chtonium
#47 - 2013-05-28 21:35:41 UTC
We noticed also more K162s in our wh. Which is not soo bad i have to say XD

But still If there was a change of this sort we should be informed about this, dont you agree?
Enthropic
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#48 - 2013-05-28 21:42:27 UTC
agreed. I also noticed a lot more K162s in our system, but thats maybe because more people play actively atm, in expectation of the summer uhm.. expansion.. I guess they call it.

but yeah, in case there was some change of sort in the mechanics of how WHs spawn or connect (which I doubt), we should be notified..
Kedv
#49 - 2013-05-30 22:21:46 UTC
What if all WHs spawn on both sides now automatically, and not just during DT? I've noticed an influx of k162s too, with no one ever seemingly coming through them, or heck, no one even in the originating system, and we close them completely unopposed.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-05-30 22:44:15 UTC
We seem to go on waves, having little activity for a period of time, and then having the wormhole look like Swiss cheese. So far every incoming k162 has been justified by someone coming through. And I am pretty certain there isn't any indication of k162's spawning automatically from inactive wormholes, as we still have our inactive static persist for days.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-05-30 22:45:18 UTC
Kedv wrote:
What if all WHs spawn on both sides now automatically, and not just during DT?

They dont. I found 2 unspawned WHs last night when scanning.

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AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#52 - 2013-05-31 07:52:18 UTC
chris elliot wrote:
Euthanasia Anneto wrote:
ProbeAlt2 wrote:


well how can we do sites if there 5 corporation right next door, that mean impossible to run sites, well that reduce significantly money income, which mean nerf of wromholes

Well, you can have up to 6 connections to your WH. So be glad it's only 5.
You might be happy that probably 4 of them 5 might be carebears, so you could easily cycle those hole's and do your ratting.



Personal record for number of holes connected to the same one is 12. 7 incoming and 5 outgoing.


~20. Single nullsec with NOTHING but C5 and C2 outbound connecting holes. Nobody opened them for weeks and they built up in that system in drone space.
Cosmic Scanner
Overload This
Escalation Theory
#53 - 2013-05-31 22:53:17 UTC
Its just more people getting active at scanning, ive seen no change in wh mechanics.

Cosmic Scanner / muu lufragga

Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#54 - 2013-06-01 22:59:57 UTC
So this was just a Placebo Effect? People thought things had changed because an expansion is coming and things *could* have changed. How disappointing :(

And btw, changing things without telling us what exactly has changed would fit quite well with "unknown space", within reason. Changing wh mass without notice, so that people get stuck due to no fault of their own = bad. WH dwellers experiencing unexpected things because of stealth change to wh statics = good.

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Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-06-02 14:27:49 UTC
how would increasing the roaming wormhole rate increasing player interaction a bad thing?

so many wormhole chains are just only statics with little/no branching
Ston'd Ninja
Spaceship Cowboys
#56 - 2013-06-04 09:07:33 UTC
I farm 3 of the c3 wh's. 2 lowsec and 1 hisec. I have noticed an increase in the interconnections of the wh's. Everyone has good and bad days in wh space but when you log to farm 3 different wh's and 3 different fleets are farming them within 4 hours of each other when normal that happens random as could be maybe one a day or two but that just made me think! That's what i was researching on the forums to see what people thought and ran across this thread. Its a bit to much of a coincidence statistically for me personally. Just my 2 cents. Like the thread and the thoughts!!
Sam Boom
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-06-04 12:06:20 UTC
Just to share my own experience with 2 WHs.
One of them is a K162 magnet. The other cycles, sometimes active sometimes not.

I have noticed the more often I login and am active in a WH the more likely a K162 will open.
Also, running certain sites like Mags/Radars can cause a K162 to open up.

Likewise, when I get wormhole entrances from my WH's to another WH, always there are active players in that WH mining or farming sleepers or just transporting stuff.

From this I think that CCP wants player interaction in WH's and there appears to be preference to opening a WH to active (pilots are logged on doing something) WH space.


Other Notes:
Theory: Black hole type WH's in my experience appear to attract far more openings that any other type of WH.
Most active entrances at one time: 7 (took a screenshot)
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#58 - 2013-06-04 12:49:22 UTC
Sorry but that's all nonsense. You'd have to keep a log of all that happens in your systems for every day for at least a year to substantiate even one of your claims. Even then it would only provide a very limited sample of what happens in w-space at large.

You've simply fallen victim to well-known psychological mechanisms. You believe you always connect to active wormholes because those are the ones you remember, while the empty ones you quickly forget.

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Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#59 - 2013-06-05 18:31:24 UTC
Posting a question like tisl almost always lead to a biased response.

From the information we have, wh spaws should be random. Now let us say the average is 3 wh spawns (totally arbitrary). That means that 50% people will get more and 50% will get less.

Now when you come to the forum the responses you get are mostly going to be from the 50% that actually got more, because if you had not gotten more you will be "less" inclined to reply.

I'm not saying the spawn rate didn't change, I'm just saying if it did this is one of the "worse" to find out. (the way the post was framed adds a lot to it)
Demica Diaz
SE-1
#60 - 2013-06-05 18:42:26 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
ProbeAlt2 wrote:
it'll create a situation of perpetual struggle

And the problem with a situation of perpetual struggle in null security space is...?

ProbeAlt2 wrote:


Example I lived and I've seen, it's simple, any corporation we probed and they probed us too. did not fight did not make pve. they were just watching us and we even

So you are cowardly carebears and you met other cowardly carebears, and both of you cowered down, trembling in fear of each other. Pathetic.


Not everything has to lead into conflict you know. Thats the beauty of EVE. Bear
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