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Those are all clearly comparable to a situation where you have a bunch of mysterious signals out in space, and can trivially deduce what they most likely are at a glance, despite the fact that under other circumstances, the system won't even give you a hint as to what they are until you've scanned them down to 25%.

Again, stop being obtuse. I used DSPs, too, but it was always EXTREMELY obvious that lookup tables were an unfortunate and unintended consequence of probing math, and not an intended function.

Well said. And maybe this nerf is not to bad after all since it also comes with a few buffs to other parts of the system. I am looking forward to not having to reload the scanner with DSP/core probes all the time tbh.

It seems you are taking out a massive chunk of gameplay which many players have enjoyed using since it was discovered. Being able to narrow down your search results is perhaps something which should have been built further upon as this is emergent gameplay at its best, and it seems you've just clamped down on very good system. I'll try the scan changes again, before it was displaying the sig strength on the tooltips when I last tried it. But i'll try it again and test this other method you speak about. But from initial glance I think its a shame you are throwing out the emergent gameplay that has arisen.

Alternately, they could keep the site strength table constant, but introduce error bars (which are already there, implicitly) and have the interface return a number which is the actual strength plus or minus some random number within the margin of error. A single scan with a single probe over a huge range will tell you that there's something interesting somewhere over in that big smear. If you want more precise results, use more probes and/or smaller ranges and/or more precise probes and/or implants, drugs, modules, etc.

For balance that's not actually what I meant:
My response to the above misunderstanding that was entirely my fault for not making myself crystal clear.

Answering the question of balance is quite difficult. If I had to go with my gut I would agree with you that it is balanced and that we are getting a net positive overall and people should stop complaining about the removal of the DSP mechanic and apprecaite all that they are gaining with Odyssey. What I am having trouble understanding is why there needs to be an additonal barrier between me and say DED 5/10 sites in the form of other signatures outside that signal strength. Is it really a significant part of the is it balanced equation?

Does it really come down to you want those people that are after specific content to have to comitt a certain amount of time scanning for that content?

If the idea is to remove the efficency of not having to scan down all signatures in a system I am confused as to why there is still a element of this on sisi. When it comes to the system map you can eye ball the approximate AU size of the red spheres and that gives you an idea of what band the signature is in. Granted this only works slightly becasue it seems that quite a few bands have been lummped into a 8 AU sphere while the top and bottom band have their own AU sphere. I would much prefer that the red spheres be a constant size, ideally 4 au, to make it easier to see which planet the signature spawned at instead of having the convience of ignoring the upper and lower extremes.

The ironic thing is that scanning will become even more mind numbing and repetitive than before as people will be forced to scan every signature in the system at random unless we can figure out some other method to narrow our results.

Scanning nerf? What? OP I would like your drugs.

Odessey brings with it the biggest scanning buff in the history of EVE. Stop being greedy.

EDIT: Evidence: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/team-super-friends-do-odyssey/

Here you go, a post you could have referenced to make the statement I was looking for CCP to make: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3019117#post3019117

I haven't been following the test server feedback threads, mea culpa.

Not so random. Remember that we're getting the new modules which will boost our probing skills, so we'll be able to lock down signatures ultra fast now. Before Odyssey you might have been able to skip a level of range (e.g. from 4 to 1 instead of 4 to 2 to 1), now you'll be able to skip two!

Remember folks, while Astrometrics Pinpointing and Astrometrics Rangefinding have been nerfed, Astrometrics itself is being buffed with the missing 5% for both those skills. CCP is really serious about making exploration something easy for the new players to get into. This is why they're doing the auto-recall of probes thing: they're catering to new players, not the players who engage in exploration as a major part of their existing playstyle.