Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I want to re-imagine the warp function and skills that affect it, because honestly WARPING... is a big part of the game. I can't tell you how many times I felt my heart beat praying for that warp. Above all else, it's the one thing we want working on our ship. For something so important, there should be more to it. Along with odyssey proving to shake up the skill tree, warp should get some attention.

WHERE AM I GOING WITH THIS?!!!
Let's me start by just laying out the skill tree for warp and it functions then i'll go into detail

Core Skills
Navigation[1]
Warp Drive Op.[1] - Req Nav1

Standard Skills
Warp Jump Pinpointing[3] - Req Nav 3 / W.D.O 1
Warp Drive Efficiency[5] - Req W.D.O.5

Advance Skills
Adv Warp Jump Mapping[5] - Req W.J.P 4
Micro Jump Drive Operation[5] - Req Nav4 / W.D.O 2
Emergency Warp Operation[8] - Nav5 / W.D.O 2 / W.J.P. 5

As you can see there's some new skills here, 3 in total. 2 of which I have well thought out, and 1 is still kinda up in the air with how. Before I go into detail, there's no more warp to 0. It's gone. Now let's continue
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Warp Jump Pinpointing - Each level improve's the accuracy of your jump to the plotted location by 5KM, with level 5 reducing it to 0.
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*EDIT*
By default this would mean all player's now warp a 25KM to object. Now prior to warp to 0, this use to be real, only 12km, however the issue here was that people ended up making BM's. Which ended up being a ridiculous amount of BM's. To mitigate this happening again the mechanic would need to differ.

Instead of warping you 25km's at a direct point away from the gate along the warp, it now warp's you 25km away from the gate, at any radial point around the gate. For less processing I suggest 6 point's, north, south, east, west, up, down. This would make a overshotted BM only have a 1/6 chance of working in your favor. This inconvience would thus encourage players to train the skill further.

BEFORE YOU DECLARE THE WAR!!!
The problem is easily mitigated as the pre-requisite are light. One can easily reduce their warp to 5KM away from gate within 2days. This makes sense. 5KM is not that hard to burn especially when you can use the gate at 2.5km. For slow boat's this means you may want it to 5, yes.

Now this add's a new dynamic to the skill as it's easy enough to train to 4 but cost a week to get to 5. This mean's there will be people who will chance the burn. This bringing some of that old life back to gate camps both good AND bad. Now pirate's can wait for incoming into system or get lucky with a lesser skilled pilot trying to leave. However obvious bait ships now look less obvious as well :P.



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Warp Drive Efficiency[5] - Each level improve's the acceleration of the warp core by 10%
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This is the one I can't figure out really. The idea sounds great but there's some kinks. mainly because inty still wouldn't hit their max. Ideally I see this skill affecting ONLY the acceleration, therefore the time to decelerate remains since brakes don't exsist in eve. I would like to see it behave dynamically, have a acceleration multiply on every ship. By default they're all the same as the multiplier isn't active. Once this skill is trained every level affects this multiplier. With that though BS would have 1x, and inty would have 5. Roughly. Still it's something I'd like to debate more on.

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Adv Warp Navigation[5] - Each level allows you to offset your warp to distance by 50km.
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This... is... well... feel's kinda forced. However It's here mainly to look at all thewarp functions and the possibilities. This would allow at 5, a pilot to warp to 250KM. Value's are editable but only to max range. I haven't really used the warp to feature practically. So this is definitely something either could be debated, or tossed aside.

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Emergency Warp Operation[8] - Allow's the pilot to engage an emergency warp. Each level reduce coordinate calculations by 25%.
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What this skill does, Is allow's the user to force a warp 1000km into deadspace in the direction they are facing, as oppose to an object. Initially with the skill, engaging warp will feel as if you were doing a 180align to an object then warping. Max would be as fast as being aligned.

The upside to this is that then aligning TO an object, is that you don't accelerate into warp.

The downside is that upon doing so, you burn your cap dry and force you module's offline.

This would discourage the enemy from using it to follow, surprisingly no one even brought that up HERE, and ultimately means using it leaves you vulnerable,

Engaging warp is still limited by core stability. scram's and disruptor's will prevent a pilot of warping. So if you don't want to lose your target then treat every engagement as if they were aligning, and don't lose point.

Cmon what do you guy's think? what else could be done?

^this

Why not just bring back learning skills while we're here?

mandatory skills to just be able to play the game efficiently are not a good thing.

As for the E-warp this would just make non-consensual pvp next to impossible. everyone would just train it lvl 5 and then be invulnerable unless afk.

you trying to think of new skills you need to think about the fact that everyone will train it to lvl 5 if is useful. which ends up with everyone basically able to warp around far faster with your added acceleration (i presume that is the intended effect) and if they ever get in trouble they can just insta warp to safety.

tbh i'd quite happily train a skill for a month if it would make me invulnerable unless bubbled. but at the same time i also know it would destroy the game.

I've flown in 0.0 strat ops where there is a large amount arguably running on success or failure. Even with a lot on the line, the sensible option if I'm shot at is to warp off, and this is a pretty much universal habit. If you're primaried and not pointed/bubbled, you warp out. You can then get back on grid and be repped up before the enemy has really noticed you, so you lose nothing from the whole experience except perhaps 30 seconds of shooting. The only way to 'win' a conflict in EVE is to either threaten people with kills to the point where they don't commit to a fight, or to kill them enough that they cannot offer opposition. There would be no winners in your imaginary world of no tackle.

If you remove the ability to hold someone on grid, nobody will die except the AFK and those who come up against enough alpha to be one-shotted, essentially. It would encourage blobbing to even more ridiculous levels than currently, and make all PVP in the game into a total joke. The people hit hardest would be solo players, who almost certainly don't have the DPS required to kill anything significant before they can escape.

No offence, but if even I can tell its a terrible idea, you really need to put more thought into it.

so how would one ever win then since the loser would always run off when low on health?

This is a PVP game. If you turn it into a PVE game, half the population will unsub.

Completely remove the ability to stop someone running away, and it becomes impossible to actually kill anything. Why, exactly, would this be a good thing?

Alright I love it, thanks for all the feedback.

Now I'll agree that, A wall a text makes it hard to really get the fact's while skimming. There's many other post to read. So I want to clarify somethings.

Emergency Warp functions EXACTLY like warping to any other object. If you are scrammed or disrupted, you cant engage it. Now I know I mentioned a possibility of having it immune to disruptors. Honestly that's a huge maybe. If you are scrammed you can only hope you came with an AB to burn away, and if your disrupted a MWD. This is designed as a means to bypass that critical moment of having to align and accelerate to warp when you finally get a chance. It's thought out to be WARP CORE STABILIZED NOW GTFO!!!. If you don't want to lose your target, don't give them the chance.

Not to mention the fact that doing so put's your ship offline effectively. You have no cap upon dropping to engage another warp, and all your modules are now 25% burnt. We could take it a step further, and make it so they are also put offline, as the demand for the capacitor cause modules to turn off. This would mean the ship now has to naturally gain it's cap back intime to get to safety before getting probed down.

Learning skills were ridiculous because it took a new player close to 2month's to be on an even learning scale as other players. The Warp Jump pinpointing is 2day's to get to 5km. A week to get back to 0. How is this any more mandatory to learn then missiles/shield for caldari, lazors/armor for amarr, etc...?

I understand the initial NO!!!, I mean i'm proposing adding a week to everyone's training time. No one wants that. However it add's something more to warp. It makes warp a skill, and navigating through space effectively and efficiently an actual skill. Along with giving something to the pirates. Pirates get NO LOVE. When honestly gate camps... make the game fun.

Warping to 0 should be a reward to those that prioritize for their survival. Much like training your shields, and tank. Not for the convience of those that don't want to bothered.

Buddy... Go PvP
HONESTLY DO IT
I'm just learning myself
But there is something you feel when you risk losing your ship.
The **** I care about losing out on an opportunity to make isk, i'll go find another.
But take my ship away that costed me literally hours of my life.
YOU FEEL THAT

That is why the pirates want to kill you, why we all will want to kill each other.
No amount of income source will ever be enough to satisfy the desire to literally take something away from someone.
PvP in eve isn't some arcade shooters, there's actual loss.

Which is why you probably are scared of it.

This part clearly shows how little you know of warp mechanics and scan mechanics. 5 sec is enough to scan, yes. but then you'll spend another 5-10 sec to warp to that place(depends on distance). Dry cap does not prevent you from warping: you can make at least 100-200km jump even with 0 cap and regen some for next jump while you are in warp.

I'll admit I've never dry warped, so no I didn't know that. However it's ONLY a 1000click's out. I know that's a mere second of warp if you took the time to align in that direction prior to getting that warp lock on. The emergency warp, is no better, if anything less effective then making the burn aligned to an object. This skill serves only as a tool for the moments that's not an option, but there's still a chance to break free from the scram. Along with adding some fun. Honestly my ship has the ability to warp, yet my pilot lacks any ability to plot a course? It's just a tool. A new dynamic.