Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I actually typed up a whole 4000 word essay on why this limit should be tweaked or removed but for some reason I lost it all when I tried to preview it... I'm not re-typing it again because it took an hour just to think of what to say... so i'm ripping what I mailed GM Dantrok



I have no idea if i'm supposed to make a thread on the forums (Which I think I can't access because of trial account) or contact a GM but i'm sending this to you anyway.. hopefully you'll read this.

Earlier today you talked to me about Trial Account limitations.. i'd like to suggest one of the limits be tweaked...


I tried to get a Hauler and realised you can't get them on a Trial Account. I don't see exactly why it has the Trial Account limits because it doesn't really effect the Economy.... Since you can't get contracts for people to haul your Ore from let's say Ussad to.. Jita there isn't really much of an option but to keep going back and forth between Jita and Ussad about 10 times depending on how much Ore you need to haul / sell. I know that the route between Jita and Ussad is really dangerous and would definitly need an escort. I think that atleast there should be a limit on the higher tech Haulers but not the lower tech.. Simply because it's almost impossible to haul your materials back and forth to a destination.


I realise that limits kinda make people 'Want' to buy a 30 day Pilots License / register but i personally don't like limits.. they get frustrating.

The limit could be tweaked where players with a Trial Account can only level the Industrial level required for a hauler only once, and only be able to use the Level 1 Haulers.


I agree about the limit on Mining Barges, that really does effect the econonmy. I don't really see a point on the Hauler limit though.. Atleast make the lower tech Haulers accesable to anyone and the higher tech Haulers only accesable to players with a registration.



This is just my opinion, and I do plan on upgrading my account in the future.. really depends on how I do financially this month.

Yes it does. People will just make trial alts to haul to avoid wardecs etc. You don't understand any of the mechanics of EvE if you're still on a trial, stop thinking you do.



Well it's a bloody trial version, of course it has to have limits, otherwise people would make tonnes and tonnes of trial alts.

Sorry if I come across harsh here, but you really just don't understand how EvE works at all.

Letting people train and fly all the ships available to them via the in-game tutorials is not going to present a serious danger of letting them "eat everything."

Regarding the "but then someone will create an alt account to avoid wardec stuff" please consider these.
#1 You can send yourself a buddy invite, accept it, PLEX it, and have a 51 day subscribed account all for the low, low cost of increasing your play time by another 30 days. You won't be able to do as many simultaneous haulers as if the trial restriction on industrials were lifted, but you'd have it for about 2.3~x longer.

#2 Once the "second skill queue for PLEX" thing goes through (presuming it goes through of course) you'll be able to train alts right on your own account to bypass wardec issues.

Frankly the only reason I can see to not allow trial accounts to use industrial ships is to prevent mass(ive) market manipulation, and compared to what you could do with freighters I don't really see that as a potentially serious problem that would sneak up on CCP without them noticing the massive rise in trial accounts required to pull it off. Once the dual skill queues feature goes live CCP might as well repeal the trial restriction on industrials.

@Shereza How can you compare dual character training with a trial? A trial hasnt spend a dime on eve, be it real currency or in-game. A subscribed member who enables dual character training is paying a plex (~500mil) to do so.

Imo, the limitations are fine. Trials don't need to fly industrials to know if eve is the game for them. If it is, they need to subscribe to enable all the options in game.

Nothing of any significance can be hauled in a T1 Industrial.

Is cruel to give the noobs a Badger and not let them fly it.

Think of it more like a carrot on a string...

The limitations are in place to counteract botters, who would just do a shitton of hauling missions and make mad dosh.

I'm not sure of the botting implications, but I do think that this limit should be removed as a hauler is generally utility, not direct isk making like a combat or miner.

The problem with potential abuse by botters is that hauling missions, AFAIK, could conceivably go to L4s easily without needing larger ships than plain industrials. Combat missions, on the other hand, would require BCs for L4s at least if not L3s, and BCs can't be trained by trial accounts. I don't know what the profit margins on L4 hauling missions are, but if they're worth abusing they will be I'm sure.

Well I just recently ran a few level 4 hauling missions, mostly for a corp I already had good standings with just to see how they paid and see if it would be a practical way to grind standings for refining without tanking my standings with my preferred faction. While it was fairly easy and reasonable standing increases the money was fairly poor. Even running them in a blockade runner it was less money then I would make mining in high-sec even in a venture, well maybe close to the same.