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Procurer Investment Fund - 50% profit guaranteed

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2013-05-26 19:45:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever

FUND CLOSED!!!


the process is pretty simple, I want to purchase procurer from the market and sell them for the real manufacturing cost

* at the moment procurer trade 50% below manufacturing cost

* I will place pruchase orders for procures between 8 - 10 million

* I place sell orders for procures from 14 - 20 million

all money invested in my fund will only be used to pruchase procurers in the given range, as soon as the sell order are executed I will start returning the investment plus profit minus 10% fund management fee

the average profit for you should be arround 50%

timescale I predict 6-12 month however returns can start flowing earlier as well

* minimum investment 8 million and just one investment per character

* transaction should be made to my corp SpaceJunkys (I'm the only member with my alts so theft can not happen)

if you have more questions, please shoot me a mail

thanks Harry

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Singulaer
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-05-26 20:09:04 UTC
Good luck dude.

"Do not attempt to live without vanity, since this is impossible, but choose the right audience from which to seek admiration." - Bertrand Russell
Adunh Slavy
#3 - 2013-05-26 21:22:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
Do you have collateral? Some plex perhaps

And, assuming you are right, why should I give you any of my money instead of buying the procurers myself?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Aliventi
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#4 - 2013-05-26 21:23:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Aliventi
I am not quite sure you understand the sheer magnitude of the amount of procurers that exist. There are tens of thousands of procurers on the market and many times that in people's hangers waiting to be resold. Don't think in days, weeks, or months of supply. Think in years of supply.

And to be honest why would I need you? If I wanted I could just buy a few thousand and resell them in 5+ years when the supply has dwindled.

Also, your entire strategy is under the assumption that mineral prices will stay the same. As CCP has proven with the drone poo and meta 0 items being removed from drops and their recent rebalanced of low/nullsec ores that rarely ever is the case. If CCP decides to change something in the future that lowers mineral prices you are screwed. Plan and simple.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2013-05-26 21:36:54 UTC
Aliventi wrote:
I am not quite sure you understand the sheer magnitude of the amount of procurers that exist. There are tens of thousands of procurers on the market and many times that in people's hangers waiting to be resold. Don't think in days, weeks, or months of supply. Think in years of supply.

And to be honest why would I need you? If I wanted I could just buy a few thousand and resell them in 5+ years when the supply has dwindled.

Also, your entire strategy is under the assumption that mineral prices will stay the same. As CCP has proven with the drone poo and meta 0 items being removed from drops and their recent rebalanced of low/nullsec ores that rarely ever is the case. If CCP decides to change something in the future that lowers mineral prices you are screwed. Plan and simple.


I calculated through everything, including how many procurer die each month, production at this cost is at zero, but it is ok if you do not invest, thanks

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Adunh Slavy
#6 - 2013-05-26 22:03:54 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

I calculated through everything, including how many procurer die each month, production at this cost is at zero, but it is ok if you do not invest, thanks



And how did you do that?

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#7 - 2013-05-26 22:19:04 UTC
the problem is, some one has 34K procurers still in his hanger, Mynnna... cough...

greedy little man.
Illest Insurrectionist
Sparta.
#8 - 2013-05-27 01:47:22 UTC
So 50% profit over 12 months is 4.17%/month. Sounds awesome.

No collateral sounds even better.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-05-27 05:03:02 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-new-ships-of-retribution-price-indices-december-2012/

With 3-5% of mining by volume being done by Procurers I'm sure you'll be able to recoup your investment in no time at all Lol



Roll

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-05-27 06:56:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
mynnna wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-new-ships-of-retribution-price-indices-december-2012/

With 3-5% of mining by volume being done by Procurers I'm sure you'll be able to recoup your investment in no time at all Lol



Roll


over a thousand procurers blowup each month, there are sites to check that, bigger investors will not sell at the price at the moment, actualy investors start selling at 14 million with higher volume, you can see this looking at the sales orders on the market, we reach the 14 million within 6 month calculating the sales orders and taking the busted procurers each month into consideration, but like mentioned, no need for anybody to invest in my fund if not convinced, I however will move forward like mentioned...

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#11 - 2013-05-27 08:26:55 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
mynnna wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-new-ships-of-retribution-price-indices-december-2012/

With 3-5% of mining by volume being done by Procurers I'm sure you'll be able to recoup your investment in no time at all Lol



Roll


over a thousand procurers blowup each month, there are sites to check that, bigger investors will not sell at the price at the moment, actualy investors start selling at 14 million with higher volume, you can see this looking at the sales orders on the market, we reach the 14 million within 6 month calculating the sales orders and taking the busted procurers each month into consideration, but like mentioned, no need for anybody to invest in my fund if not convinced, I however will move forward like mentioned...



You seem to be assuming that all extant Procurer stockpiles are sitting on the open market. What basis do you have for that (assuredly incorrect) assumption?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2013-05-27 08:58:43 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
mynnna wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-new-ships-of-retribution-price-indices-december-2012/

With 3-5% of mining by volume being done by Procurers I'm sure you'll be able to recoup your investment in no time at all Lol



Roll


over a thousand procurers blowup each month, there are sites to check that, bigger investors will not sell at the price at the moment, actualy investors start selling at 14 million with higher volume, you can see this looking at the sales orders on the market, we reach the 14 million within 6 month calculating the sales orders and taking the busted procurers each month into consideration, but like mentioned, no need for anybody to invest in my fund if not convinced, I however will move forward like mentioned...



You seem to be assuming that all extant Procurer stockpiles are sitting on the open market. What basis do you have for that (assuredly incorrect) assumption?


not all procurer who blowup are shown on the killboards either, so they make up for that, however if they are not put on the market because investors wait for a better price, then those are not a problem for my plan

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-05-27 09:27:46 UTC
oh man, this guy sure does deliver....

I should buy an Ishtar.
Sven Hammerstorm
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-05-27 13:32:26 UTC
I see no reason to not thrust my money in this venture.
ngaly
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-05-27 15:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: ngaly
Dude, you are doing it wrong. If you are serious about this you have to offer a fixed interest rate. Maybe 20% per year would be fine. If the profit is higher than 20% per year you take the surplus. If the profit is lower than 20% you pay the loss. In order to secure the investment you have to give all the procurers plus a collateral worth maybe 30% of the total invested ISK to a third party.
flakeys
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-05-27 16:05:43 UTC
ngaly wrote:
Dude, you are doing it wrong. If you are serious about this you have to offer a fixed interest rate. Maybe 20% per year would be fine. If the profit is higher than 20% per year you take the surplus. If the profit is lower than 20% you pay the loss. In order to secure the investment you have to give all the procurers plus a collateral worth maybe 30% of the total invested ISK to a third party.



You haven't read OP's other threads eh .... that line will tickle him in a bad bad way.


We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2013-05-27 17:14:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
ngaly wrote:
Dude, you are doing it wrong. If you are serious about this you have to offer a fixed interest rate. Maybe 20% per year would be fine. If the profit is higher than 20% per year you take the surplus. If the profit is lower than 20% you pay the loss. In order to secure the investment you have to give all the procurers plus a collateral worth maybe 30% of the total invested ISK to a third party.


this is only for people who are convinced it works, therefore no collateral needed, if you need to offer collateral for your investment ideas, then it is only a sign that you do not believe in it yourself... unsecure investors who are not confident in this matter should not invest in the first place

no share on the stock maket offers collateral, there as well you just invest if you feel confident

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
flakeys
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-05-27 18:28:41 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
ngaly wrote:
Dude, you are doing it wrong. If you are serious about this you have to offer a fixed interest rate. Maybe 20% per year would be fine. If the profit is higher than 20% per year you take the surplus. If the profit is lower than 20% you pay the loss. In order to secure the investment you have to give all the procurers plus a collateral worth maybe 30% of the total invested ISK to a third party.


this is only for people who are convinced it works, therefore no collateral needed, if you need to offer collateral for your investment ideas, then it is only a sign that you do not believe in it yourself... unsecure investors who are not confident in this matter should not invest in the first place

no share on the stock maket offers collateral, there as well you just invest if you feel confident



AH yes makes sense ,


So if i ask a 200 B loan for bpo research then i would not need to offer collateral because the investors would know that allways works.


Good to know , my notepad is getting filled with your idea's on a daily base now.Soon i will be as succesfull as you ... i hope.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Sabre Rolf
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-05-27 18:34:43 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

all money invested in my fund will only be used to pruchase procurers in the given range, as soon as the sell order are executed I will start returning the investment plus profit minus 10% fund management fee


So if I had too much isk and I´d really think this is a good idea, why I just dont use the said ISK to buy the procurers myself and relist them on my own?

even if this wouldnt be to most obvious scam attempt ever, why would anyone give you the isk instead?
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2013-05-27 18:45:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Sabre Rolf wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

all money invested in my fund will only be used to pruchase procurers in the given range, as soon as the sell order are executed I will start returning the investment plus profit minus 10% fund management fee


So if I had too much isk and I´d really think this is a good idea, why I just dont use the said ISK to buy the procurers myself and relist them on my own?

even if this wouldnt be to most obvious scam attempt ever, why would anyone give you the isk instead?


because i do the trading for them, you will also need to move around those ships and stuff, its a service for the lazy investor, just for those who have so much money they do not find time or opportunities anymore, however if you think my points are valid I'm happy to see you invest on your own as well, because that will also bring up the prices faster, so i do not have a disatvante telling everybody

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