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500m isk/day ratting carrier

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#21 - 2013-05-23 21:03:45 UTC
Ziester wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Ziester wrote:
Warp to 70km of any given Hub/Haven, launch drones (set on aggressive), go grab a coffee or something.

...get hotdropped and DDed Roll


I always thought it was funny how low sec'ers/nullies whined about Easy Button missioning/mining in high sec, when you can take carriers into anoms in blue space and shoot away with little risk...

For anyone who lived in Nullsec long enough, it's a known fact that Nullsec is actually a LOT safer than empire, be it high/low sec.


I'd say that sov null sec is quite a bit more safe than NPC null sec and WH space.

I'd say risk looks like this (greatest to least):
FW Low Sec
Open WH Space (eg, you aren't collapsing every incoming and are rolling for targets)
NPC Null Sec
Non-FW Low Sec
Buttoned WH Space (you are collapsing every incoming and not using your static)
High Sec
Sov Null Sec

As such, I've had no problems missioning in a carrier in FW low sec and a marauder in NPC null sec and open WH space.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-05-23 21:35:07 UTC
Real homies use rorquels with sentries.

If they would let rorq's use drone control modules they would be uber pimp.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#23 - 2013-05-23 21:45:53 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
I was talking to some people who said high end players can earn 500m isk/day ratting. Do you guys know how a carrier capable of that would be setup?


I'm not really a big fan of ratting but when I do it I either do it in nullsec with a pair of Naga's (dual boxing). Or in a wormhole with a pair of tengus

In nullsec, it pays about 45-50mil ticks (a tick is 20 min), which is 135-150 mil per hour before salvaging, which is another almost 100 mil per hour if you dual box noctis'. (this is only really useful if you have two screens).

If you're lucky one of the sites will also "escalate" which means you get a bookmark to a complex, which can pay big paydays. The complexes that result from teh anomolies I run are 9/10 which are easy to solo if you have the right ships and I've had them pay out as much as 3 bil, but usually only about 1bil. That's for about 90 min of work, all in. You don't get escallations every day though so it's really the icing on the cake but not the cake.

The point being that making 500mil in a day ratting is perfectly feasible but you need to focus on ratting and it will take you several hours.

In the wormhole it really depends on what you're doing but I think you can make more isk per hour killing sleepers than rats in nullsec. It takes more setting up though because you need to scan the exits and put scouts on them so you don't get ganked. So in the WH I'm usually quad boxing but 2 of them will be cloaked near exits. The up side of the WH if yuo're set up for it is that you can easily make 150 per hour in a C3. At least I can, but I have the impression that with more practice I could push that number up to about 200.

So yeah. You don't need anything too amazing to make a huge buttload of isk from ratting. All it takes is time and the tolerance to do the same thing over and over and over and over again.

Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-05-24 23:18:09 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
I was talking to some people who said high end players can earn 500m isk/day ratting. Do you guys know how a carrier capable of that would be setup?


That is actually a bad day.

Carrier ratting means running sites, and you are looking for escalations, if you get a couple people with carriers and blast through Forlon Hubs you can get about 20-22 a tick on bounties, so 500mil is a bout 6 hours.

Where you make the money is 8/10s and 10/10s which are hit or miss, you'll get streaks where you do two or three 10/10s whcih are gated and require spider tanking BSs or BSs and logi, no caps.....and get nothing, then you run a couple 8/10s and get three x-type drops a pop....which is $$$

Even then I used to pull around the same rate dual boxing with a mach and logi alt
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-05-24 23:19:44 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:


As such, I've had no problems missioning in a carrier in FW low sec and a marauder in NPC null sec and open WH space.

-Liang


Running level 5s with a carrier is fun, not because of the missions but because of all of the cat and mouse, contant interuptions, flying in alts to kill tacklers and whatnot.

Not something I would try without insurance though, I've had a LOT of close calls that way.
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-05-26 10:05:50 UTC
First: ISK/day is a stupid measure.

You need to use something like isk/hour.

Second: People getting so anal about carrier ratting. Just the old eve adagio: fly what you can afford to lose. And if people fly carriers, that's what they're going to lose. Deal with it. Just don't lose it too often.

Ziester
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-05-26 11:18:16 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
First: ISK/day is a stupid measure.

You need to use something like isk/hour.

Second: People getting so anal about carrier ratting. Just the old eve adagio: fly what you can afford to lose. And if people fly carriers, that's what they're going to lose. Deal with it. Just don't lose it too often.


Again, they're not gonna lose anything if they use them properly.
In a Blue Sov Nullsec area, with active intel channels and an eye on Local, I'll say it again : if you lose your carrier, you're an idiot.
If you have neither of those, just don't rat in a carrier Roll
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-05-26 12:04:15 UTC
Ziester wrote:
Again, they're not gonna lose anything if they use them properly.
In a Blue Sov Nullsec area, with active intel channels and an eye on Local, I'll say it again : if you lose your carrier, you're an idiot.
If you have neither of those, just don't rat in a carrier Roll


Awoxing, or help from inside spies. You don't have to be idiot and can do everything right and still lose a carrier.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-05-26 18:45:05 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
Ziester wrote:
Again, they're not gonna lose anything if they use them properly.
In a Blue Sov Nullsec area, with active intel channels and an eye on Local, I'll say it again : if you lose your carrier, you're an idiot.
If you have neither of those, just don't rat in a carrier Roll


Awoxing, or help from inside spies. You don't have to be idiot and can do everything right and still lose a carrier.


You have to be really slow on the draw to lose ratting carrier.
Anything is possible of course, but you shouldn't have a carrier alone in a system anyway.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#30 - 2013-05-26 19:03:55 UTC
Onictus wrote:

You have to be really slow on the draw to lose ratting carrier.
Anything is possible of course, but you shouldn't have a carrier alone in a system anyway.


Uhh... I'm always most comfortable with my carrier when I'm alone in system. Straight

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-05-26 19:46:10 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Onictus wrote:

You have to be really slow on the draw to lose ratting carrier.
Anything is possible of course, but you shouldn't have a carrier alone in a system anyway.


Uhh... I'm always most comfortable with my carrier when I'm alone in system. Straight

-Liang



By alone I mean me myself and I

. An alt or three

Guados
Everyone vs Everything
#32 - 2013-05-27 03:42:29 UTC
Carriers in anomaly?!? Where ?!? Big smile

2nd in NEW EDEN OPEN TOURNAMENT My PvP Channel : http://www.youtube.com/user/Guadossss

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#33 - 2013-05-27 03:44:18 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Onictus wrote:

You have to be really slow on the draw to lose ratting carrier.
Anything is possible of course, but you shouldn't have a carrier alone in a system anyway.


Uhh... I'm always most comfortable with my carrier when I'm alone in system. Straight

-Liang



By alone I mean me myself and I

. An alt or three



On that note, Level 5s with Marauder backup is pretty pimp ****.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-05-27 15:07:47 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Onictus wrote:

You have to be really slow on the draw to lose ratting carrier.
Anything is possible of course, but you shouldn't have a carrier alone in a system anyway.


Uhh... I'm always most comfortable with my carrier when I'm alone in system. Straight

-Liang



By alone I mean me myself and I

. An alt or three



On that note, Level 5s with Marauder backup is pretty pimp ****.

-Liang



You are likely right, I never trained them up though.
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#35 - 2013-05-27 17:35:18 UTC
Guados wrote:
Carriers in anomaly?!? Where ?!? Big smile


all over the null maaaan :D

but seriously i prefer assigning fighters to to ratting nagas, safer and is not a gank magnet so i won't have a neut in system sitting and camping it
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-05-27 23:52:12 UTC
So a 30 day alt can still earn 500mil/h in a caracal and you want to rat in a carrier?
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-05-28 01:23:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
So a 30 day alt can still earn 500mil/h in a caracal and you want to rat in a carrier?


Doing what pray tell?


.....and as a point of order I would prefer to not rat at all, its not terribly exciting.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#38 - 2013-05-28 04:16:13 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
So a 30 day alt can still earn 500mil/h in a caracal and you want to rat in a carrier?


I'd say 500M/hr is pushing it really. I'd say sustained it's on the order of 200-300, with bursts up to 350. But yeah, that's kinda my go-to when I need an ISK pick-me-up. I was looking at my funds and I'm invested 20+ billion in Odyssey and the next expansion. No wonder I was starting to feel space poor again. What?

-Liang

Ed: Still, I tend to take the 100M/hr route and just AFK it.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-05-28 06:24:13 UTC
I was doing 150 an hour in my Vindicator. It was miserable though I had to pay attention and that doesn't fit my Eve playstyle.
Melina Quaid
Metaphysics Industries
#40 - 2013-05-28 16:50:34 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
So a 30 day alt can still earn 500mil/h in a caracal and you want to rat in a carrier?


I'd say 500M/hr is pushing it really. I'd say sustained it's on the order of 200-300, with bursts up to 350. But yeah, that's kinda my go-to when I need an ISK pick-me-up. I was looking at my funds and I'm invested 20+ billion in Odyssey and the next expansion. No wonder I was starting to feel space poor again. What?

-Liang

Ed: Still, I tend to take the 100M/hr route and just AFK it.

200-300m/hour ? How's that possible ?
Unles you're using a Mothership ? oO