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Octonetwork
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-27 11:52:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Octonetwork
Hello there fellow wh dweller.

My corporation and I are beginning our WH life and we trying to find a nice way to bookmark anoms so that every mate can easily find what they can do in our hole and statics. When you only have your home and your statics it s pretty easy, but when we go deeper it s getting chaotic in the corporation's bk.

Here is what we actually do with our C2 static C2,LS.

For the sake of convenience I won't print the numbers of anom (ex : AZE-232) but know that we note them before EVERY sites.

/c2_home/state-sig1-type-name
/c2_home/state-sig2-type-name
/c2_home/......
/c2_home/c2a
/c2_home/c2a/state-sig1-type-name
/c2_home/c2a/state-sig2-type-name

let s imagine our static has a C4 static it then goes :

/c2_home/c2a/c4b/state-sig1-type-name
/c2_home/c2a/c4b/state-sig3-type-name
/c2_home/c2a/c4b/state-sig3-type-name

Possible states of an anom :
W : warped - a scout has warp to the site to start the spawn of rats
P : popped- rats are in the sites
C : cleared - rats are cleared from the site
S : salvaged - rats has been salvage

As we go deeper we create new folders to easily find our way home.

I'm turning to you to see if you have found a proven technic and can share it Smile or comment our.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#2 - 2013-05-27 12:07:47 UTC
Octonetwork wrote:
Hello there fellow wh dweller.

My corporation and I are beginning our WH life and we trying to find a nice way to bookmark anoms so that every mate can easily find what they can do in our hole and statics. When you only have your home and your statics it s pretty easy, but when we go deeper it s getting chaotic in the corporation's bk.

Here is what we actually do with our C2 static C2,LS.

For the sake of convenience I won't print the numbers of anom (ex : AZE-232) but know that we note them before EVERY sites.

/c2_home/state-sig1-type-name
/c2_home/state-sig2-type-name
/c2_home/......
/c2_home/c2a
/c2_home/c2a/state-sig1-type-name
/c2_home/c2a/state-sig2-type-name

let s imagine our static has a C4 static it then goes :

/c2_home/c2a/c4b/state-sig1-type-name
/c2_home/c2a/c4b/state-sig3-type-name
/c2_home/c2a/c4b/state-sig3-type-name

Possible states of an anom :
W : warped - a scout has warp to the site to start the spawn of rats
P : popped- rats are in the sites
C : cleared - rats are cleared from the site
S : salvaged - rats has been salvage

As we go deeper we create new folders to easily find our way home.

I'm turning to you to see if you have found a proven technic and can share it Smile or comment our.


I want to share, but...

You are basically done with three folders: wormholes / sites / warp-in
Obviously you can delete the whole wormhole folder whenever you fold your home, same for sites. Warp-in can well be split into different stuff like assets, hostile assets, salvage, safes etc.
For the naming convention of wormholes, I suggest you just name them similiar to c2a, c2b and so on, mark the wormhole towards your home system with a dot in front and you're mostly done. So give every wormhole a unique identifier and draw youself a map (pen&paper if necessary)
So wormholes (this case you sit inside c2a, so the first c2 in the outgoing chain from your wormhole, as example) -
.c2a → home
c4a
lowsec A

and so on. I believe mostly anyone should be able to find all the things necessary. Increase the index as you find more systems of the same class :)

Hope that helps, afaik wormhole corps tend to organize their wormholes like that or similiar, with some corps taking cryptic letters for confusion issues (like calling chains R1, T1 etc., not necessary unless you got multiple wormholes)

regards
Tinna Benuse
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-27 12:43:05 UTC
Take a look on siggy: http://siggy.borkedlabs.com/pages/welcome
Have a "Guide" option on the top too :)

This tool helps you with the map and unique names for WHs.
About folders I agree with Octonetwork.

In the end your corp probable will have a self mechanic with names and some step-by-step.
Octonetwork
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-05-27 12:50:50 UTC
Tinna Benuse wrote:
Take a look on siggy: http://siggy.borkedlabs.com/pages/welcome
Have a "Guide" option on the top too :)

This tool helps you with the map and unique names for WHs.
About folders I agree with Octonetwork.

In the end your corp probable will have a self mechanic with names and some step-by-step.


Thank you both for your comments.

I heard of siggy but i m a bit greedy to spend ISK on such tools :)
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#5 - 2013-05-27 13:02:53 UTC
Octonetwork wrote:
Tinna Benuse wrote:
Take a look on siggy: http://siggy.borkedlabs.com/pages/welcome
Have a "Guide" option on the top too :)

This tool helps you with the map and unique names for WHs.
About folders I agree with Octonetwork.

In the end your corp probable will have a self mechanic with names and some step-by-step.


Thank you both for your comments.

I heard of siggy but i m a bit greedy to spend ISK on such tools :)


There is currently a program out by markin something...google it, basically it is in alpha but if you got a few people that can code, it's open source so you can modify it a bit to your liking

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Dgram Loop
Dutch Squad
#6 - 2013-05-27 13:09:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Dgram Loop
If you want to host and develop a mapping tool yourself then this one is really good, and I believe its the one lanyaie is referring to:
W-Space Alpha

They also set up a site with the alpha version that can be used. I'm not sure about the lifetime of that site though so check with them before getting too attached to it.
Octonetwork
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-05-27 14:06:42 UTC
There are a few developers among ourselve, maybe we ll give it a try, thanks for the adresse.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-27 14:26:02 UTC
Ouch, you make my brain hurt.

Living deep in a C4 our chains can get quite extensive, yet we basically use just 3 folders

Home sigs
Home anoms
Chains

Everything related to our home system goes there. Everything else goes in chains.

First we only use the letter portion of a sig name. It keeps it shorter and the letters are all unique, so the 3 numbers are redundant.

For wormholes we match them up.

So for example, if our home static is:

VCX x877 2300 (sig id, WH designation, time activated).

When we reach the other side we bookmark the other side:

(VCX) k162 J??????

If you sort your sigs by distance, the sigs in the current system always show on top. So even if our "chains" folder has lots of locations, the current system sigs are always at the top.

We also map these using wormhole space. It is free and you can host it yourself if you want.

http://wh-space.wiadvice.com

Britta Nolen
Sama Guild
#9 - 2013-05-27 14:42:27 UTC
Why not just use corp borkmarks? Yes, 250 is very limiting but still.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-05-27 14:51:43 UTC
Britta Nolen wrote:
Why not just use corp borkmarks? Yes, 250 is very limiting but still.


Where did anyone say they weren't using corp bookmarks?
Octonetwork
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-05-27 14:57:25 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:



This seems nice :) gonna try it.


Seems there is no perfect way to setup bk, only the one that suits your corp.
Rengerel en Distel
#12 - 2013-05-27 15:07:56 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:

First we only use the letter portion of a sig name. It keeps it shorter and the letters are all unique, so the 3 numbers are redundant.



Just on that point, i've had the letters cycle back in a day, and have the same letters, with different numbers. Was a bit confusing at first, thought i had marked it down wrong. I had something like RFU-349 at DT, then RFU-256 12 hours later. It's only happened the once, but i'm sure it is possible.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-05-27 15:21:59 UTC
Octonetwork wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:



This seems nice :) gonna try it.


Seems there is no perfect way to setup bk, only the one that suits your corp.



Yes it has to work for the corp in question. I tried to keep it as simple as possible while relaying the most key information. More complicated bogs people down and they don't want to bother as much.
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-05-27 19:55:12 UTC  |  Edited by: unimatrix0030
Keep It Simple!
Easiest way for everyone, including the scanner is using a mapping tool and naming your wormholes :
examples:

where you are-> where it goes

Home>C5a and the other side C5a>home
C5a>C5b ...

If you have an extra chain add numbers :
Home>C5.1
C3.1>c3.2...

It is the mapping tools that helps you to know where to go, there you also set what the hole name is right now, like c5a, c3c,.. .
Adding a dot to the way back also helps.

Best is not to use the j-number it is just to long to type.
Before the corp bm's and before ducks we had this system:
J111111>j222222 H296 (crit at 25:00 Eve time)
It takes to long to type and it isn't easy to maintain this type of naming in long scanning sessions.

No local in null sec would fix everything!

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-05-27 22:29:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
So much effort.
Assuming you have some sort of mapping tool (which you should), all you need to do is name the BM with what class WH youre in and what class WH it goes to. If it's heading back in towards your home, add a 'In' on the end for easy pickup.

If you have 2+ WHs that go to the same class from 1 system, add the last 3 numbers of the j sig to the BM name.

EG set of BMs:
Home > C6
C6 > C5
C6 > C3
C6 > Home In
C5 > C5
C5 > C6 In
C3 > NS
C3 > C6 In
C5 > C5 (123)
C5 > C5 (456)
C5 > C5 In
ect...

TBH, you dont really need the first half of those names anyway.

Personally I dont BM any non WH sigs, outside of home, but if you do, all you need is the site name with a number on the end for multiples.

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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#16 - 2013-05-27 22:57:41 UTC
Octonetwork wrote:
Hello there fellow wh dweller.

As we go deeper we create new folders to easily find our way home.

I'm turning to you to see if you have found a proven technic and can share it Smile or comment our.


Well... I'll tell you what works for us.

First of all, the easy part.

When we jump out of our WH, then the Exit back into our WH is called

Wormhole >> Home

Moreover, the deeper you go down the rabbit hole, each exit back in the direction of home is called "Wormhole >> Home" as you jump through.

So every exit in the direction of home is marked like this--including entrances from K space--so you don't have to worry about where you are.... just follow the in space bookmarks to "Wormhole >> Home" and like following a trail of breadcrums, that's where you always end up.

Exits to K space are marked as follows

XXXX >> (Lowsec)
XXXX >> (Highsec)
XXXX >> (Nullsec)

The XXXX is the name of the exit, like U210, K162, or whatever. In our case we don't usually care WHERE it comes out, just what kind of exit it has.

Exits from one wormhole into another WH are marked like

XXXX >> (Class - static)

So for example, a K162 into a C4 with a C3 static is called

K162 >> (C4-C3)

If there is more than one K162 into a neighbouring wormhole then they are just marked

K162a >> (class-static)
K162b >> (class-static)

and so forth.

if a wormhole has a more than one static then one of them will be a static to K space so that's the one that gets marked. The fact that it has more than one static is indicated as follows

K162 >> (C3-Lowsec*)

The * meaning that it has more than one static.

We don't make maps anymore. With this simple notation we can find our way around just fine.
Chester Floyd
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-05-28 13:07:49 UTC
Octonetwork wrote:


I heard of siggy but i m a bit greedy to spend ISK on such tools :)


For mill a pop, you're one cheap SOB. :)
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#18 - 2013-05-28 20:03:26 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
First we only use the letter portion of a sig name. It keeps it shorter and the letters are all unique, so the 3 numbers are redundant.

Uh, what? No...sigs that were in a system at DT will have the same 3 letters.
DrBmN
Lippstadt Creed
Solyaris Chtonium
#19 - 2013-05-28 21:41:09 UTC
We name the bookmarks after the wh number:

for example:

N766 to B274, 28 May

Or

N766 to D382 to B274, 28 may

and so on...

Using IDs for bookmarking is not handy becouse of downtime reset, once you figure out this system its preety easy to navigate.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-05-28 22:53:13 UTC
DrBmN wrote:
Using IDs for bookmarking is not handy becouse of downtime reset, once you figure out this system its preety easy to navigate.


Now see this is where i feel the opposite. Having the sig ID's makes it easier to keep track of new and existing bookmarks.

After downtime I just scan the existing bookmarks and update their sig to match the new ones.

That way if new sigs appear during the day, it becomes easy to know which ones have already been scanned.

Say there is one WH after downtime. A few hours later another corpie comes in and sees a new sig. By comparing the ID's in the locations list he knows already which have been scanned and which are new. If yet more sigs spawn later in the day you can keep track of which have been taken care of.

Otherwise each person who comes in after someone else has to go through the task of re-verifying which sigs have been scanned and which are new.
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