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Space camo: WHY?
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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#41 - 2011-11-04 23:16:33 UTC
Blnukem 192 wrote:
It really doesn't matter.

You'd be suprised how much people care about how their ship looks like. You care about how the CAR you drive looks like, right?
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2011-11-04 23:17:43 UTC
Blnukem 192 wrote:
Keep the space camo, it makes ships a bit less boring to look at compared to their standard T1 counterparts. I honestly don't get why you people complain over this. It really doesn't matter.


It makes them horrible to look at, I almost want to go back to using a normal megathron for incursions rather than my navy megathron just so that I don't have to see that horrible ugly stupid camouflage.
yes, the ships should look different from their T1 counterparts but that doesn't justify them looking this ugly.
Blnukem 192
Death By Design
#43 - 2011-11-04 23:20:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Blnukem 192
They look fine to me. I think the problem for you greedy people is just that Gallente looks horrible in general. Blink

I, for one, more than welcome more camo designs.
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2011-11-04 23:21:54 UTC
Blnukem 192 wrote:
They look fine to me. I think the problem for you greedy people is just that Gallente looks horrible in general. Blink


no they don't, gallente has some of the best looking ships in the game and is second only to amarr when it comes to best looking ships overall.
Blnukem 192
Death By Design
#45 - 2011-11-04 23:23:16 UTC
Max Von Sydow wrote:
Blnukem 192 wrote:
They look fine to me. I think the problem for you greedy people is just that Gallente looks horrible in general. Blink


no they don't, gallente has some of the best looking ships in the game and is second only to amarr when it comes to best looking ships overall.


They also have some of the most poorly textured ships in the game - have you seen the Hyperion or Vexor lately? Roll
Sarmatiko
#46 - 2011-11-04 23:23:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
I personally like Caldari Navy new 8-bit camouflage skins.
Also Gallente feds must suffer.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#47 - 2011-11-04 23:24:39 UTC
Black Dranzer wrote:
Okay you know what navy skins SHOULD be?

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Penis shaped, Vagina textured, and butthole colored.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2011-11-04 23:24:59 UTC
Blnukem 192 wrote:
Max Von Sydow wrote:
Blnukem 192 wrote:
They look fine to me. I think the problem for you greedy people is just that Gallente looks horrible in general. Blink


no they don't, gallente has some of the best looking ships in the game and is second only to amarr when it comes to best looking ships overall.


They also have some of the most poorly textured ships in the game - have you seen the Hyperion or Vexor lately? Roll


have you seen the new hyperion and vexor lately? the ones on sisi?
Blnukem 192
Death By Design
#49 - 2011-11-04 23:29:22 UTC
Sorry, I don't speak Spanish.
mkint
#50 - 2011-11-04 23:35:23 UTC
Tippia wrote:
mkint wrote:
Do you want logic, or just that it looks like sh!t?
Looks like **** is a better argument, since any logic based on functionality fails automatically.
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From a logical standpoint saying "oh, it's jungle cammo because they had jungles" is dumb.
No, from a logical standpoint, saying “oh, it's jungle camo because they had jungles” makes sense because as we move into space and start using sensors to detect ships instantly over distances that are measured in light-minutes, the colour scheme no longer matters, so you can pick any colour you like.

As such, it's not particularly far-fetched that colouration would revert to being used as heraldry rather than to serve as a (completely futile) method of trying to stay hidden. This means looking different is more important than looking good (and definitely more important than the utterly irrelevant “looking functional”).
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Or a jungle cammo F-16.
Perhaps not the F-16, but that's just because it never ventured close enough to the ground to warrant it. You'll have no trouble finding dedicated CAS or terrain-hugging aircraft that featured various types of forest camo patterns.
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In militaries they use cammo because it's functional for hiding behind bushes.
In the military, as everywhere else, they use colour to serve a number of purposes — conveying ancestry, historical reminiscence, tradition, standing out as different from other forces, and any number of other symbolical functions are among those purposes. Why do you think red berets are so popular in the contemporary military, for instance? If detection due to colour was no longer an issue (because, let's say, people are detecting you using space-sensors from two billion kilometres away no matter what you wear) don't you think those guys would wear their red berets at all times?

If we can agree that from functionality space cammo is ruhtarded, then it's just a question of style.

Countries use colors of heraldry based on symbolism of those colors. If the US launched an interstellar battleship that did not rely on line of sight, they would paint it red white and blue. They wouldn't paint it "amber waves of grain" or Vietnam camo, or Iraq camo, or even the dressier forms of camo that a google image search would no doubt turn up. The same could be said of any nation. Hell, I've seen images of a jungle nation with blue formal dress camo!

By the logic of heraldry, why doesn't the Gallente navy ships share the colors of it's in-game logos? I.e. blues, greens and silvers? (For precedence of a ship being painted to match the heraldry, look at a google image search for USCG Eagle, or any airshow planes, even military financed ones.)

But ultimately, and most importantly. It looks like sh!t. It's not a matter of taste. It literally looks like someone who eats too much chlorophyll took a sh!t, and shaped it into a spaceship.

You'd expect a company so obsessed with flash over substance, things would get better over time, not worse.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#51 - 2011-11-04 23:40:27 UTC
mkint wrote:
It's not a matter of taste.
Of course it is.
mkint
#52 - 2011-11-04 23:42:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
mkint wrote:
It's not a matter of taste.
Of course it is.

Only if you assume there are people who like to taste sh!t.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#53 - 2011-11-04 23:49:51 UTC
To be honest if you want to nit pick, you would lose all the lights on the ships too, and hopefully make them from radar absorbent material so that they would be completely "dark". Wouldn't make for a fun game though - "hey, where's my ship?"

I kinda like the camo although it's complete nonsense.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2011-11-05 00:07:18 UTC
I can't believe no one posted this yet.

There ain't no stealth in space.

http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/spacewardetect.php#id--There_Ain%27t_No_Stealth_In_Space

DEAL WITH IT.

And read the entire site while you're at it, it's awesome.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#55 - 2011-11-05 00:29:34 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:

There ain't no stealth in space.

right. AFK cloaker are only in our imagination.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#56 - 2011-11-05 00:36:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
mkint wrote:
Only if you assume there are people who like to taste sh!t.
No, that assumption is not necessary. Just the knowledge that you are not the final arbiter of taste.
Bienator II wrote:
right. AFK cloaker are only in our imagination.
Funnily enough, yes.
Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2011-11-05 01:58:24 UTC
Jeez I can't believe people are talking about this as a sim aspect - it doesn't matter what the **** colour you paint a spaceship anyway, so why not paint it camo? (And also Barbie pink if you want - hopefully we'll be able to at some point Big smile )

It's just a matter of taste and sensibility. I happen to think it looks great on things like the Navy Megathron. You can rp it as some sort of sentimental military legacy thing.

The only thing that looks absolutely **** in camo is that new Comet - yeeuuuuurgh. Much preferred the old "police" stylisation, it was kind of unique and made the Comet a special little treasure of a ship.
shellree
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2011-11-05 02:39:13 UTC
i think its fine and really this thread is pointless tbh. you dont like it dont fly it. dont invite it to your fleets. kick any member who flys one etc. prob solved.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#59 - 2011-11-05 12:30:30 UTC
Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
Jeez I can't believe people are talking about this as a sim aspect - it doesn't matter what the **** colour you paint a spaceship anyway, so why not paint it camo? (And also Barbie pink if you want - hopefully we'll be able to at some point Big smile )




While paint customization sounds cool I can just imagine that it's going to be either extremely low resolution OR you will only be able to choose from a limited standard set predetermined by CCP - just like corp logos. Why? Can you imagine how long it would take jumping into Jita or a fleet battle? Ah yes, go make yourself a sandwich while EVE downloads all the different custom paint jobs.
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#60 - 2011-11-05 12:46:34 UTC
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
Dear Father Grigory,

Please be adviced that "camo" is not a good way to communicate a "space navy" identity.

The reasons are obvious. Insert 500,000 words of random citation of relevant whinings here.

Please, if CCP is heading toward the direction of fixing all the old outdated wrong inappropriate stuff, please STOP making space camos.

Concerned pod pilot who is hiding in the spacebush


TBH the best camo in space is a mirror surface.

Also, there is no sound in space nor is there an up.....

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