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A suggestion for the Heth Loyalists out there...

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Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#1 - 2013-05-27 02:07:18 UTC
I hear that some of you are worried about the future of the Provist moment in the Caldari State, especially concerning your dear leader Tibus Heth. What with the loss of Caldari Prime, his forced execution of the (incompetent) Admiral Yanala, and various attempts to steal power from the megacorporations to his own control. With this in mind, I have a suggestion for you...

Why not consider moving, before it's too late, to the fabulous region of...

STAIN!

Yes, Stain! The same region renowned in the past as a base for desperate Caldari megalomanics (like Big Ugly here) who have been outcast from the empires for sucking too badly. Even though Sansha beat you to it, Heth, I'm sure they'd be more than happy to welcome you to their region as neighbors... neighbors that would be excellent sources of fresh DNA for their legions of True Slaves.

Just a suggestion, take it at face value!
Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#2 - 2013-05-27 02:35:05 UTC
I was expecting a more detailed suggestion. Something like, "this chokepoint in nullsec between these hours of the day."
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#3 - 2013-05-27 02:40:20 UTC
Also a possibility. Less dramatic, though.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#4 - 2013-05-27 02:57:01 UTC
No.

No.

No.

Unless they are reduced to vats of biomass I think they would be more trouble then they are worth. Send them to Molden Heath. Isn't that where refuse is tossed these days?
Edwin Sterrick
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-05-27 03:07:50 UTC
...there are still Heth loyalists?
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#6 - 2013-05-27 03:12:23 UTC
Edwin Sterrick wrote:
...there are still Heth loyalists?

Diana Kim, Diana Kim, and Diana Kim. I am sure there are baseliners and capsuleers who support him. But they are about 10% as important as Kim. So figure out how important she is in general and divide by ten.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#7 - 2013-05-27 03:50:48 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Edwin Sterrick wrote:
...there are still Heth loyalists?

Diana Kim, Diana Kim, and Diana Kim. I am sure there are baseliners and capsuleers who support him. But they are about 10% as important as Kim. So figure out how important she is in general and divide by ten.


You forgot Tomhorn.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#8 - 2013-05-27 04:59:23 UTC
3 x Diana Kim = 9 times the nails-on-chalkboard rhetoric.
Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-05-27 08:50:03 UTC
Or maybe you could grant people the respect that they deserve from their Kirjuun.
Diana Kim's commitment to your State is undeniable and unquestionable. She fights for what she believes in and her combat record is more impressive than mine. Yes her zeal is worrying at times but such things can be corrected with time and patience. People have to make choices every day, such as what to eat for dinner or what to wear to work. People have to decide who they are going to pledge their allegiance to, which is a harder decision than it sounds in the shifting quicksand mire of the State's political system.

Diana Kim made a wrong decision, should she really be crucified for that?
As said, we don't know why she is as zealous as she is, maybe there's a reason for it, maybe there isn't. Bottom line, she has fought long and hard for her State and that alone deserves respect from her Kirjuun. Instead she gets stabbed in the back by her comrades.

This is an opinion expressed by a Capsuleer and may or may not reflect official TRN policy.

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#10 - 2013-05-27 09:06:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Kim-haani has been a loyal and zealous servant of the State. She has broken no laws. She has defended Caldari space. She has supported a man who was the duly appointed Executive of the CPD.

Is she popular? Nope. Last time I checked, being a good Caldari citizen wasn't a matter of being likable or beloved.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-05-27 10:25:29 UTC
I quite agree with Zsaryna Adrelana. These insults are little more than schoolyard bullying of the unpopular kid. We should be above that.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#12 - 2013-05-27 10:36:40 UTC
Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:
Diana Kim made a wrong decision, should she really be crucified for that?


We all are accountable for our decisions.
Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-05-27 10:43:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Zsaryna Adrelana
Of course, but we should be held accountable by other means than the court of public opinion, even though there are precious few other methods of holding a Capsuleer to account.

This does not represent the opinion of tRN and merely constitutes the ramblings of a drunk Capsuleer.

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-27 10:52:51 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
We all are accountable for our decisions.


There is a difference between holding somebody to account for a poor decision, and belittling them as a human being.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#15 - 2013-05-27 12:27:59 UTC
Maybe I'll show a shred of sympathy for her... once she stops trying to push the extermination of the entire Gallente race.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#16 - 2013-05-27 12:42:36 UTC
She hasn't said a word since the interrogation.

I realise this is a rare thing to ask in the bigger world of things but, give the woman the benefit of the doubt. The pro-Provists have been entirely silent since these details have come out. There's a phrase along the lines of "Only cowards kick a man when he is down."


The last few months the Provist stance has taken several blows, each time Kim and company have come back defiant and still firm in their beliefs, this time we hear nothing. No blaming of the Federation for this, no calls for extermination, no accusations of traitors and cover ups. Even I could have thought of something to spin on it in less time than this, I sure as hell wouldn't believe the words I'd be writing though.


And right now, I'm content to give them time to contemplate if they still believe theirs.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-05-27 13:21:35 UTC
Politics is one ting but trashin an individual is low.

Attack ideologies, not persons.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-05-27 13:21:39 UTC
Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:
Diana Kim's commitment to your State is undeniable and unquestionable.

No it isn't. She's loyal only to Heth. Anyone who opposes Heth, in her opinion, isn't loyal to the State. But as it's become increasingly clear that Heth isn't, in fact, loyal to the State, where does that leave him - and more important to this particular conversation, where does it leave her?

Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:
Yes her zeal is worrying at times but such things can be corrected with time and patience.

There are many people, both Federal and Caldari, who have attempted to invest the time and patience neccessary to make that woman see just a hint, just a glimmer, just an iota of sense. Literally every single one of them has been pushed beyond the limit of the time they are willing to invest and the patience they are possessed of, and her ignorance, spite and malice has not been diminished a single grain.

Zsaryna Adrelana wrote:
Diana Kim made a wrong decision, should she really be crucified for that?

Oh, absolutely. She's had ample evidence presented to her that supporting Heth and demanding the murder of every Gallentean, every Intaki, every Mannar, every Jin-Mei in the cosmos was wrong. She rejected reality and chose to pursue a genocidal delusion.

You want me to tell you the truth? She's going to get crucified whether or not you think it's right - and yes, before you ask, of course I'm going to enjoy it. But regardless of my subjective investituture she richly deserves it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#19 - 2013-05-27 14:31:12 UTC
For what it's worth, this thread was meant to be for the Provists in general, not a single capsuleer. With that said, I think it's run its course.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-05-27 14:39:16 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:
For what it's worth, this thread was meant to be for the Provists in general, not a single capsuleer. With that said, I think it's run its course.

There's like, two other Provist capsuleers.

Two.

One is Galaxy Pig who isn't really a Provist so much as a woman who intentionally throws herself at anti-human causes just to be edgy, and the other is TomHorn, who is so fantastically irrelevant that despite his bellicose rhetoric he couldn't even show up in person to the battle of Caldari Prime.

Not to inflate her importance too much but Diana Kim is pretty much the only Provist capsuleer of note.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

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