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Massive genetic engineered food monopoly?

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Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-05-26 20:49:40 UTC
I have heard of a company called Monsanto that aims for complete control of the agriculture market though genetically engineered and pesticide ridden foods. I have found a few articles detailing it but I can't link them due to viruses and browser exploits the site that has the article contains.
One thing I know about is the "Monsanto protection act" a bill in the USA that grants complete legal protection against Monsanto and it's products.
What are your thoughts/concerns?
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-05-26 21:05:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
old news is old.

http://www.reddit.com/search?q=monsanto

and yes, they are a bunch of douchebags.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-05-26 21:33:10 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
old news is old.

http://www.reddit.com/search?q=monsanto

and yes, they are a bunch of douchebags.


This is news to me, thank you for sharing this!
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#4 - 2013-05-26 21:41:40 UTC
there was a worldwide protest of the stuff in over 400 cities yesterday and today. i didn't see a single blip about it on the news here in the states.

i'm thinking of switching to a paleo diet myself lol.
Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-05-26 21:53:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbie D0ll
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
there was a worldwide protest of the stuff in over 400 cities yesterday and today. i didn't see a single blip about it on the news here in the states.

i'm thinking of switching to a paleo diet myself lol.


The USA's citizens and inhabitants are going to be dead from this stuff sooner or later.
The Romans had lead, we have GMO.

Edit: looking around it seems that they also own a large amount of the non-GMO market too.
Alara IonStorm
#6 - 2013-05-26 22:29:27 UTC
Conquering the World one carrot at a time.
Hrothgar Nilsson
#7 - 2013-05-26 22:47:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
Heh, I worked for Monsanto when I was 15.

They had enormous corn fields where every two rows for 20 feet were a different genetic variant. We'd count the plants, chop the ones in excess of the number that were supposed to be in the row, and report shortages in the row to the supervisor. Then later in the summer we'd chop the tassel off the top, put it in bags and rubber band it around the corn ears so each plant would self-pollinate.

After the growing season was done they'd come through with highly specialized combines that would weigh the corn as it was harvested to determine which variants had the best yield.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#8 - 2013-05-28 12:16:41 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
there was a worldwide protest of the stuff in over 400 cities yesterday and today. i didn't see a single blip about it on the news here in the states.

i'm thinking of switching to a paleo diet myself lol.


The Guardian has a dedicated US component now, I've even seen some of their American journalists for the American paper on Bill Mahers show.

Yes, I watch Bill Maher, its pretty informative to keep my head to the ground with American politics Oops

We had the same problem with Thatcher in power so I've been told, censorship of the media and whatnot.

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#9 - 2013-05-28 15:14:11 UTC
The only options are quickly becoming to grow your own food, or get used to not knowing what's in it. Even many 'organic' choices are cagey, sadly.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#10 - 2013-05-28 15:43:14 UTC
Barbie D0ll wrote:
I have heard of a company called Monsanto.........


Monsanto has been one of the largest corporations since the early 1960's, and this program was initiated in the early 1980's when I first heard about it. Where've you been ? Lol

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2013-05-28 15:45:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
In actuality, all food is genetically modified.

Grafting and seed hybridization have been used since ancient times.

Natural genetic evolution has taken care of the rest of the genetic modification.

People are just seeing Frankenstein in their minds.....utter irrational fear is all it is.


EDIT:.......and an excuse for these alarmist organizations to get 'donations' (cough cough) for their causes.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#12 - 2013-05-28 15:47:04 UTC
I was preoccupied at the time with being a component of my mothers ovaries, later transitioning in my later build to Embryo. Pirate

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#13 - 2013-05-28 15:51:02 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
I was preoccupied at the time with being a component of my mothers ovaries, later transitioning in my later build to Embryo. Pirate


I remember an old ride in the '70s at Disneyland that shrank you down to the atomic level. It was really cool. And prominently "Sponsored by.........Monsanto" on the ride's signage.

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Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#14 - 2013-05-28 19:18:24 UTC
Yes yes, all according to plan. -Maniacal laughter-

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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#15 - 2013-05-28 20:02:35 UTC
Doesn't Monsanto have a monopoly on South American water as well, apart from pesticides, GM seeds, biology in general...

wumbo

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#16 - 2013-05-28 20:35:46 UTC
The wonderful thing about Monsanto is they control the seed supply. Used to, farmers did this sneaky thing of saving back some of their harvest each year. They'd use that for seeds for next year's crop. They did that for, oh, maybe 10,000 years.

But Monsanto put a stop to that nonsense. Now the crops grow infertile seeds. No more saving back part of the crop, farmers have to buy a new load of fertile seeds from Monsanto every year. Great deal for Monsanto, but maybe not so great for the rest of us if the zombie invasion every comes.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#17 - 2013-05-28 20:49:57 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
The wonderful thing about Monsanto is they control the seed supply. Used to, farmers did this sneaky thing of saving back some of their harvest each year. They'd use that for seeds for next year's crop. They did that for, oh, maybe 10,000 years.

But Monsanto put a stop to that nonsense. Now the crops grow infertile seeds. No more saving back part of the crop, farmers have to buy a new load of fertile seeds from Monsanto every year. Great deal for Monsanto, but maybe not so great for the rest of us if the zombie invasion every comes.



Exactly.

"genetic modification" is the least of the issues with Monsanto.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-05-28 22:25:36 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
The wonderful thing about Monsanto is they control the seed supply. Used to, farmers did this sneaky thing of saving back some of their harvest each year. They'd use that for seeds for next year's crop. They did that for, oh, maybe 10,000 years.

But Monsanto put a stop to that nonsense. Now the crops grow infertile seeds. No more saving back part of the crop, farmers have to buy a new load of fertile seeds from Monsanto every year. Great deal for Monsanto, but maybe not so great for the rest of us if the zombie invasion every comes.



Exactly.

"genetic modification" is the least of the issues with Monsanto.

well, things considered, even with all the evil GMO's have, the truth is, western world has the ammount of food surplus it had these past decades because of them.

while I might be exagerating, it is possible that it's thanks to modified cultivars that we nowadays have cheap food and you don't have to worry about variety on the table.


bio food might be tastier, and you can use certain natural methods to increase production, but don't forget that it's thanks to the agricultural revolution in the 1700's/1800's that we had a quick and extremely highly developed industrial revolution.

not that I don't say that GMO's aren't evil. they are, but try not to look at all this as a black and white situation.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#19 - 2013-05-28 22:39:55 UTC
Keep in mind there's also hydroponics proposals for vertical farming to increase the land available, keep crops throughout the year and in a density that lets us not rely on GM crops. Perhaps I've been taken in by the propaganda (biology ins't my field, but when enough scientists say something you listen to hear them out regardless, cigarettes, climate change ect)

Take the UK, we grow 85% of our calorie intake on the islands as a whole, this drops off to 55% if we lose Ireland as part of a reliable food source. From this alone the UK needs access to markets to simply feed itself, indeed this was South America's main WW2 effort, growing enough food in sufficient quantities to feed a besieged Britain and keep us in the war, respect o7

And like in WW2, we lose trade, we lose the food, we riot, we're natural capitalists that way. Same with Singapore, they have a expensive though strategically viable practice of changing the country they contract for water every few years, hence no single nation *cough*Indonesia*cough* can gain absolute leverage over the tiny city state. Hence, if you create a high density multi story hydroponics facility, you can take in nutrients, say from sewage, and then re purpose it more directly as a basis to grow new food.

Its an alternative to GM, and creates more room to farm in, though it is a capital intensive process compared to throwing seeds in the ground and growing, but new building techniques are making it more viable over time and cost effective. Little old Singapore could be a net food exporter if it chose to do so, to put into context the density we are talking here Blink

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-05-28 22:49:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Kirjava wrote:
Its an alternative to GM, and creates more room to farm in, though it is a capital intensive process compared to throwing seeds in the ground and growing, but new building techniques are making it more viable over time and cost effective. Little old Singapore could be a net food exporter if it chose to do so, to put into context the density we are talking here Blink


not just capital intensive, it's also quite time consuming.


you can't get crops that easily. a great majority of food we cultivate had to be engineered so that it could give crops more frequently and faster.


of course there are some exceptional cases. potatoes for example. with perfect conditions you can have crops 2-3 times a year. But even then, it's not enough.
in addition, there are some factors we can somewhat control, like mother nature if you consider greenhouses and the like, but there's another extremely important factor that one must consider when we talk about agriculture, and that is, amazingly, oil.

95+% of today's agriculture nowadays is moved by it, conserved by it, and even bred by it. intensive and extensive agriculture pretty much need oil to even think about moving. take it away and you're stuck with subsistence agriculture akin to the one we saw back in the dark ages.

all in all, GMO's were just a way to dodge Malthus, as it will be hydroponics, specially if you consider that even that might fail.

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