EVE General Discussion

Eve has a lot of skills and mods and ammo that enhance DPS. ECM doesn't matter if you are dead in less than 10 seconds. Concord, repping, and speed are all mitigated by raw DPS. Frig fights often end so quickly that they are won or lost before the fight even starts.

Is DPS too easy to come by and too effective? Would the game be more interesting if reppers were more powerful and versatile. Or If EW locked faster and mitigated more damage. Perhaps if speed were an even greater factor.

I think one of the most interesting aspects of Eve is the combined arms fleet, people working together, each with a specific role rather than 1 specific type of ship needed 80% of the time and a few others to fill in the blanks. For myself I would like to see a game where DPS ships represent no more than 30% of the fleet.

Do you focus on DPS? Would you rather fly something else, but nothing seems as effective or fulfilling under the current mechanics?

Stealth 'nerf suicide ganking' detected.

This has been an issue that CCP has tried to sort out over the years with various buffs and nerfs which in the early days of the game were effective as most fleets were small. Unfortunately now, it's pretty insoluble as fleets just get larger to make up for the dps differential.

Probably the only way to reduce the dps "arms race" would be to limit fleet sizes, but then you'd just get a lot of smaller fleets working together to get round it.

Wouldn't this get complicated? Soldiers are equipped with the same weapons for a reason; whilst it is true that combined arms will increase the effectiveness of a fighting force up to a point, once a fleet is varied enough it will simply become deficient at fighting. If you haven't got enough dps/neuts/ewar/tackle, then despite the fact you are applying all of these to some degree you just won't be able to break a target. Simple as.

limit # locks on targets would work but open to exploiting by friendly nuetral locks.

What?

An alphafleet, for example, has Maelstroms, Rokhs, Scimitars, Celestis, Huginns, Lachesis, Falcons, Blackbirds, interceptors, dictors, hictors, instacanes, assault frigates and command ships.

That's a pretty complex fleet.

Flying ability matters so little in most battles, but then this isn't a space shooter. You can lose someone in a group of large collidable objects, but it sure as heck doesn't look or feel like Battlestar Gallatica.

As for breaking the blob, start adding risk to PvP and you will see PvPers leave. Give every ship a jump drive, get rid of gates, thereby adding PvP effort and risk and gate campers will leave. Normalize damage and bitter vets that like to alpha noobs will leave. Make FW objectives dynamic instead of static and some FW people would leave. Etc etc.

CCP treads a fine line of servicing the "harsh culture" of EvE will building the theme park that makes money. So far I think they have done a good job, but I would like to see more risk added to PvP.

You both have squinty eyes.

I think so too. But we actually already have such a feature, it's just encountered in some WH's. Like blackholes and pulsars that have a system-wide effect.

But having that sort of thing in K-space wouldn't be so bad. Maybe some of those 'gas clouds' can be tweaked into small nebula remnants that have effect while battling inside the cloud. Like having an armor fleet lure a shield fleet into the area while the electromagnetic particles do damage over time to shields. We encounter that sort of thing with certain missions already.

If it weren't for damage you couldn't kill anything.

Go onto battleclinic and see who kills and who gets killed and tell me how important it is.