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Ecm Drones are hurting 1vs1
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2013-05-26 11:07:22 UTC
Roggle wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Did you buy your character?


Yup


Ah ok...now everything is clear.
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Raiz Nhell
Tactically Challenged
The Initiative.
#42 - 2013-05-26 11:10:31 UTC
1v1... Why do 1v1...

1st rule of gun fighting, bring a gun...
2nd rule of gun fighting, invite your mates, make sure they bring guns...


Also if you want to 1v1, expect things to not go your way... Look, study, think about how you were defeated...
EFT the hell out of it... Next time you'll be better prepared and you can counter it...

If you think your gimping your fit by fitting ECCM... He is giving up DPS by carrying ECM drones...

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-05-26 11:52:31 UTC
Pretty good example of failing at 1v1 and then proceeding to complain about the game, instead of just learning and adapting.

An answer has been given for you question, yet you proceed to keep posting the same stupid answer to what people have told you.

You target the ECM drones and shoot them down. Period.
Leper ofBacon
HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN
#44 - 2013-05-26 12:05:39 UTC
Roggle wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
perfect example of rock-paper-scissor mechanics imo.



In your opinion is that a good thing? Leaving it to chance, not skill?


Rock paper scissors defines 1v1 in eve (with some exceptions). If you render his ecm less effective by fitting a single eccm module and he has lost dps on his drones I would say you're probably winning the exchange.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-05-26 12:07:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Roggle wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
This just in - a non-damaging choice in tactics is effective. More at 11.



saying that 5 damage drones is more effective or anywhere near as effective as 20 seconds of gun/missle damage is foolish.


Strickly 1vs1 of course


I'd like to see how much damage your guns/missiles could do to my 2km/s shield tanked drone kiting Ishkur from 50km away. I'll use five drones, you use missiles, we'll time it at 20 seconds. No tackle of course, pure damage test.

Before you answer, though, it recently faced an Ascension alliance fleet and assisted a Caracal in the destruction of a 118mil 'nado. It was 2v15, and we only lost the 43mil Caracal. No pod loss.

Additionally, my corp mates like to test their ECM drones on me periodically, because I have high EWAR skills, and they rarely work. So they know when they do work, they've got good ECM. Maybe you need to train your EWAR skills higher, so you have stronger defence against it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#46 - 2013-05-26 12:09:06 UTC
I hate ECm drones, that's why i use smartbombs of i got the slot for it.

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Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-05-26 12:34:31 UTC
Roggle wrote:
Your choices for 1vs1's

Bring ECCM- Win vs people that bring ECM drones, but be down a mid/low slot and lose to anyone that does not use them

Dont bring ECCM-Level playing field with people that dont use ECM drones. but lose to anyone that brings them


I realize there are a thousand threads about this but im butthurt so ya.



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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-05-26 12:37:40 UTC
Think outside the square. In this case the square is your boxing rink mentality. Dont sit there letting the ECM drones jam you acting helpless. Kite them around, kill them. You have to be faster than your opponent but that removes your rock paper scissors analogy. Being faster doesnt take up a slot nor does it mean you have to use ECM drones yourself. Once your drones have killed off your opponents drones he now has no drones and you have the advantage over him.

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Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#49 - 2013-05-26 13:18:57 UTC
because everything should be balanced in 1v1 amirite

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#50 - 2013-05-26 13:19:28 UTC
Clueless player crying about ECM drones, nothing to see here.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2013-05-26 13:29:12 UTC
Invisusira wrote:
because everything should be balanced in 1v1 amirite

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Actually it should be. Balance scales with numbers naturally. At a certain point without enforcing numbers balance artificially like EvE does in PvP comps balance can't be achieved at all so it's foolish attempting to balance at fleet levels since they're inherently always going to be imbalanced. There is no point or logic in doing so.




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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#52 - 2013-05-26 15:24:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Dude, if they're using ECM drones then they are down on DPS. Same principle for your slots. If you don't want to lose on some DPS then don't, but don't then get pissy because someone else did.

They already got nerffed. Train the damn skills up and stop complaining, they barely ever work as it is. Apply your drones on theirs. They already lost the DPS from their drones, so now you can "temporarily" lose yours to counter-act them. Then, once their drones are killed, you have your advantage back. Use your head.

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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-05-26 15:30:33 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Roggle wrote:


I would love to hear an example


Smartbomb.


That won't work in High Sec, not without getting Concordened Sad
Then stop fighting off the undock you tard.

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Bane Veradun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-05-26 15:41:28 UTC
Risk Averse players are hurting 1v1s. ECM is a legitimate mechanic built into the game, usable by all. Violating the spirit of 1v1s through things like off-grid boosting and RR, among other things, is what hurts 1v1s and PvP in general.

Hi.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#55 - 2013-05-26 15:54:22 UTC
Roggle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
So use a lowslot for your ECCM.



same pricaple, down a slot. You lose to anyone that does not use ECM/ECCM cause they are up one mod


its too rocky/paper/scissors


SCISSORS IS OP NERF SCISSORS & BUFF PAPER; ROCK IS OK
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Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-05-26 15:56:03 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Roggle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
So use a lowslot for your ECCM.



same pricaple, down a slot. You lose to anyone that does not use ECM/ECCM cause they are up one mod


its too rocky/paper/scissors


SCISSORS IS OP NERF SCISSORS & BUFF PAPER; ROCK IS OK


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Monistat Seven
Zero Dot Zero
#57 - 2013-05-26 17:14:35 UTC
Eve is 1v1? More like 1v1+n where n is OMGBBQ.
Jon Joringer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-05-26 17:20:30 UTC
Really, guys, CCP pretty much fixed ECM drones (at least when there's only one flight on you). Once I trained my racial compensation skill to V, I've hardly ever been jammed by a flight of 300s or 600s. It certainly keeps me safe long enough for my own drones to shoot 'em up.

And when I know that my opponent has wasted some or all of his drone bay on those stupid, now ineffective things, I can't help but smile.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#59 - 2013-05-26 17:23:36 UTC
Never once had ecm drones put out in a 1v1. Never saw a falcon alt either. I think it's just an urban myth.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#60 - 2013-05-26 17:35:20 UTC
Roggle wrote:
Your choices for 1vs1's

Bring ECCM- Win vs people that bring ECM drones, but be down a mid/low slot and lose to anyone that does not use them

Dont bring ECCM-Level playing field with people that dont use ECM drones. but lose to anyone that brings them


I realize there are a thousand threads about this but im butthurt so ya.


Bring your own ECM drones.

If the dice roll right then neither of you can do anything but try to blow each other up with smack talk in local.

Mr Epeen Cool