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Space camo: WHY?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2011-11-04 22:24:35 UTC
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage
This might be more useful.

But please get rid of the JUNGLE CAMO
They both make equal amounts of sense, so why I don't quite see why one would be preferable over the other.
mkint
#22 - 2011-11-04 22:27:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage
This might be more useful.

But please get rid of the JUNGLE CAMO
They both make equal amounts of sense, so why I don't quite see why one would be preferable over the other.

Because the dumbass who thought jungle camo in a space game needs to be taken out of a decision making position.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2011-11-04 22:30:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage
This might be more useful.

But please get rid of the JUNGLE CAMO
They both make equal amounts of sense, so why I don't quite see why one would be preferable over the other.


To disorient or to made it difficult for the enemy to estimate its type, size, speed might just be useful in space while hiding or blending is a total non-sense in space.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2011-11-04 22:32:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
mkint wrote:
Because the dumbass who thought jungle camo in a space game needs to be taken out of a decision making position.
…which still doesn't explain why it is any less dumbass:y than any other paint scheme in the game (except maybe the Primae).
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
To disorient or to made it difficult for the enemy to estimate its type, size, speed might just be useful in space
Seeing as how a coat of pain will fail to do all of that, no, dazzle camo will not be useful as anything other than an aesthetic statement, and will be just as nonsensical as painting the ship in jungle camo. Or making it bright pink with yellow polka-dots. Or giving it a Hello Kitty paint scheme.
mkint
#25 - 2011-11-04 22:41:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:
mkint wrote:
Because the dumbass who thought jungle camo in a space game needs to be taken out of a decision making position.
…which still doesn't explain why it is any less dumbass:y than any other paint scheme in the game (except maybe the Primae).

Do you want logic, or just that it looks like sh!t?

From a logical standpoint saying "oh, it's jungle cammo because they had jungles" is dumb. When you see a tiger-striped SR71 blackbird IRL let me know. Or a jungle cammo F-16. Or jungle cammo ANYWHERE in ANY modern military outside of the combat fatigues of soldiers, especially in airforce or navies that would handle projects like that. In militaries they use cammo because it's functional for hiding behind bushes. If they need something to look good they say f*ck that sh!t, we're gonna make it look good.

But ultimately, it looks like sh!t. Whatever the technical skills of EVE's art team, the art director sucks at art.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#26 - 2011-11-04 22:51:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
mkint wrote:
Whatever the technical skills of EVE's art team, the art director sucks at art.


Care to show us your art portfolio? What have you accomplished?

Katrina Oniseki
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#27 - 2011-11-04 22:51:20 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
It's just incase you land in a forest.
I like the Rattlesnake and Rhea. I think they look good.

Imagine Luke Skywalker walking around in circles in that swamp saying "damn that camo paintjob I asked for!".
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-11-04 22:53:03 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
mkint wrote:
Whatever the technical skills of EVE's art team, the art director sucks at art.


Care to show us your art portfolio? What have you accomplished?

I made Avatar the movie.



I say: Jungle camo is fuckihng stupid in space.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#29 - 2011-11-04 22:53:48 UTC
One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage.

Katrina Oniseki
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-11-04 22:55:50 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage.

Jungle camo in space is still stupid.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#31 - 2011-11-04 22:56:27 UTC
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage.

Jungle camo in space is still stupid.


So are you, but you don't see me creating forum threads to whine about it.

Katrina Oniseki
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2011-11-04 22:58:53 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage.

Jungle camo in space is still stupid.


So are you, but you don't see me creating forum threads to whine about it.

Will you whine about it if I were to create my own forum?
mkint
#33 - 2011-11-04 22:59:32 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage.

I smell a caldari pilot. May all your ships be reskinned to look as hideous as the Gallente ones. And may god have mercy on your soul.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2011-11-04 23:00:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Von Sydow
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage.


they can have interesting and fun ships without having them look like ****. I'd much rather have orange/metallic for the gallente navy ships than the fugly camo.

http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/graphics/ids/512/2139.jpg
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#35 - 2011-11-04 23:02:40 UTC
mkint wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage.

I smell a caldari pilot. May all your ships be reskinned to look as hideous as the Gallente ones. And may god have mercy on your soul.


Never start a sentence with 'and'.

Katrina Oniseki
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#36 - 2011-11-04 23:03:40 UTC
mkint wrote:
Do you want logic, or just that it looks like sh!t?
Looks like **** is a better argument, since any logic based on functionality fails automatically.
Quote:
From a logical standpoint saying "oh, it's jungle cammo because they had jungles" is dumb.
No, from a logical standpoint, saying “oh, it's jungle camo because they had jungles” makes sense because as we move into space and start using sensors to detect ships instantly over distances that are measured in light-minutes, the colour scheme no longer matters, so you can pick any colour you like.

As such, it's not particularly far-fetched that colouration would revert to being used as heraldry rather than to serve as a (completely futile) method of trying to stay hidden. This means looking different is more important than looking good (and definitely more important than the utterly irrelevant “looking functional”).
Quote:
Or a jungle cammo F-16.
Perhaps not the F-16, but that's just because it never ventured close enough to the ground to warrant it. You'll have no trouble finding dedicated CAS or terrain-hugging aircraft that featured various types of forest camo patterns.
Quote:
In militaries they use cammo because it's functional for hiding behind bushes.
In the military, as everywhere else, they use colour to serve a number of purposes — conveying ancestry, historical reminiscence, tradition, standing out as different from other forces, and any number of other symbolical functions are among those purposes. Why do you think red berets are so popular in the contemporary military, for instance? If detection due to colour was no longer an issue (because, let's say, people are detecting you using space-sensors from two billion kilometres away no matter what you wear) don't you think those guys would wear their red berets at all times?
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-11-04 23:03:53 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
mkint wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
One of the biggest points about art is that it's subjective. What you see as utter **** and terrible art, others (like me) see as flavorful, interesting, and fun. If we were going for realism, all the ships would be boring, including your precious Police Comet. Those flashing red and blue police lights are just as pointless as the camouflage.

I smell a caldari pilot. May all your ships be reskinned to look as hideous as the Gallente ones. And may god have mercy on your soul.


Never start a sentence with 'and'.

Why not? And I like cake.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#38 - 2011-11-04 23:05:44 UTC
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

Never start a sentence with 'and'.

Why not? And I like cake.

Trolololo!

Katrina Oniseki
Blnukem 192
Death By Design
#39 - 2011-11-04 23:13:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Blnukem 192
I see this topic come up fairly often, and I ask - why does it matter if ships skins have camouflage? In space, you don't visually see anything very well anyway, which is why you would use scanners or other sensing instruments - known as the overview, in our case.

Now really, tell me how often do you visually account which ship is where, when it shows up, what type it is, or any visual intel gathering on the field? You don't. You use your god damn overview. Most of the time, other ships are so far away, you can barely even see an outline of it - if at all, which brings me to my first point of using visuals to detect ships as being completely pointless.

Keep the space camo, it makes ships a bit less boring to look at compared to their standard T1 counterparts. I honestly don't get why you people complain over this. It really doesn't matter.
BLACK-STAR
#40 - 2011-11-04 23:16:32 UTC
I have to say..... there is a point with jungle camo. If they would paint jets camo, Would they paint a boat camo too? they don't paint submarines camo at all either.


I pulled this from wiki about aircraft camo, which is now irrelevant due to the speed and stealth tech of today's jets so camo isn't common at all.

"Modern paint is designed to absorb electromagnetic radiation used by radar, reducing the signature of the aircraft, and to limit the emission of infrared light used by heat seeking missiles to detect their target. Further advances in aircraft camouflage are being investigated in the field of active camouflage."



I don't care what CCP does but it would make more sense if they did something new other than emulating old school military camo on our modern spaceship game, based centuries in the future.