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Rumors of 2nd skill queue on same account for Plex
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Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-05-23 22:22:27 UTC
I've heard people saying that CCP is going to allow you to use a plex to get 30 days of training 2 toons on one account.
I can't find any confirmation of this, is it true?
Is this why Plex are going up again?
Cap James Tkirk
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-05-23 22:41:58 UTC
launch the game and from the launch window click the orange link that states dual training

or something to that effect

all details are thier
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2013-05-24 03:31:12 UTC
Dev blog here. I wouldn't call it a rumor; it's happening.
brinelan
#4 - 2013-05-24 20:43:57 UTC
It isn't rumor if there is a dev blog and dev posts on it :)
Majindoom Shi
Nightmare Logistics
#5 - 2013-05-25 19:00:53 UTC
I also find it completely useless, I think having a 2nd account will always be more beneficial then have to switch between characters.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#6 - 2013-05-25 19:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
I'm surprised that we as a community just accept that a game won't let you train more than one character per account at the same time while encouraging you to have multiple accounts and now just outright charging you for it.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Majindoom Shi
Nightmare Logistics
#7 - 2013-05-25 19:12:12 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
I'm surprised that we as a community just accept that a game won't let you train more than one character per account at the same time while encouraging you to have multiple accounts and now just outright charging you for it.


There is such a great benefit to having multiple accounts.
How ever paying to train a character on the same account ? I see as pointless. I would like to be able to train an alt on the same account for free but maybe at a reduced sp/ hour maybe 50% slower
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#8 - 2013-05-25 19:13:53 UTC
We should be able to train all 4 characters on the same account at full speed per default.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Majindoom Shi
Nightmare Logistics
#9 - 2013-05-25 19:27:40 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
We should be able to train all 4 characters on the same account at full speed per default.

This would ruin things like the character bazaar the prices on characters would be so dirt cheap they would not be worth selling.
If i was able to train all my characters across 3 accounts then move them to their own accounts later. That would be really OP I would have a full fleet running VGs using ISboxer making tons of ISK.

At one point I used to think I should be able to train my alts on the same account for free after some years of playing EVE I have come to realize it would break to many other parts of the game.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#10 - 2013-05-25 19:36:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
The prices on low level miner and industrial characters would probably drop yes but not the prices of the high level chars and the ISK saved is just the ISK we otherwise would have spent training them through plex costs.

And if having a bunch of characters on separate accounts and playing them with ISboxers is profitable then you would already be doing it. Reducing the amount of accounts required for the initial training doesn't change that since you would still need separate accounts for each character to multibox them.

Let's not make excuses for CCP charging us "because they can" It's not about balance. It's about money.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2013-05-25 21:11:39 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
The prices on low level miner and industrial characters would probably drop yes but not the prices of the high level chars and the ISK saved is just the ISK we otherwise would have spent training them through plex costs.

And if having a bunch of characters on separate accounts and playing them with ISboxers is profitable then you would already be doing it. Reducing the amount of accounts required for the initial training doesn't change that since you would still need separate accounts for each character to multibox them.

Let's not make excuses for CCP charging us "because they can" It's not about balance. It's about money.


Excuse the lack of diplomacy here, but this is pure, unadulterated bullshit. You're proposing an effective tripling of the rate SP enters the game. How would that not massively devalue SP as a commodity in both the short and long term?
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#12 - 2013-05-26 04:49:28 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
The prices on low level miner and industrial characters would probably drop yes but not the prices of the high level chars and the ISK saved is just the ISK we otherwise would have spent training them through plex costs.

And if having a bunch of characters on separate accounts and playing them with ISboxers is profitable then you would already be doing it. Reducing the amount of accounts required for the initial training doesn't change that since you would still need separate accounts for each character to multibox them.

Let's not make excuses for CCP charging us "because they can" It's not about balance. It's about money.


Excuse the lack of diplomacy here, but this is pure, unadulterated bullshit. You're proposing an effective tripling of the rate SP enters the game. How would that not massively devalue SP as a commodity in both the short and long term?



Because if you want that 120 mill SP pilot on the bazaar then people will still buy it as training it slowly over the next 6 years is what they're paying to save in. They won't be making a new alt and then training that in parallel instead


Besides. If the prices dropped as a result then it only means that the lack of being able to train characters in the first place had inflated the prices.

To not be able to progress more than one character at the same time on the same account is unreasonable and the only reason it exists is so CCP can charge us for more accounts and to inflate their subscription numbers.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#13 - 2013-05-26 10:50:40 UTC
Is there no view to have multi boxing with both toons through one launch box? I see no point otherwise why would you not just plex a second account?
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-05-26 13:39:48 UTC
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:
Is there no view to have multi boxing with both toons through one launch box? I see no point otherwise why would you not just plex a second account?

It's a convenience addition, that allows cheaper training in special cases. It does not nor is it intended to replace having additional accounts. Such special cases mainly compromise of short duration alt training and short duration additional training on an existing alt. The benefit is, that dual training allows you to keep taking advantage of that extra training continuously without having to paying anything extra. With an additional account you need to either pay a 2 PLEX transfer fee or a normal subscription fee, if you want to keep using your alt. Cases where you need to train the alt for extended periods or require it to be able to log on with your main, will still be cases where an additional account will remain preferable.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2013-05-26 14:04:26 UTC
Majindoom Shi wrote:
I also find it completely useless, I think having a 2nd account will always be more beneficial then have to switch between characters.

I'm looking forward to it.

I am currently training a research and manufacturing alt. It takes about 2 months of training. I've paused the main character on the account in the meantime. I really don't need an extra account for an alt that will never undock.

I also have a character that I bought. It is pretty good, but still not skilled as I'd like. A few months of training without having to pause the account's main character would be nice.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#16 - 2013-05-26 22:06:29 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
We should be able to train all 4 characters on the same account at full speed per default.
WTB 4 chars on one account.

They have said that there are some major issues with allowing all three to train at the same time, but it's in the works. But it will cost the same. Either a plex per char, or maybe a sub. BUT NOT FOR FREE, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.

Yes I shouted, it seems some don't listen.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Thorleifer
Yeti Cave
#17 - 2013-05-27 00:28:57 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
I've heard people saying that CCP is going to allow you to use a plex to get 30 days of training 2 toons on one account.
I can't find any confirmation of this, is it true?
Is this why Plex are going up again?


It is there, not sure what the point is aside from having toons on 1 acct verse 2, since you are basically paying for 2 accounts of service with 1 account without being able to run both at same time.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#18 - 2013-05-27 08:53:07 UTC
Thorleifer wrote:
Verity Sovereign wrote:
I've heard people saying that CCP is going to allow you to use a plex to get 30 days of training 2 toons on one account.
I can't find any confirmation of this, is it true?
Is this why Plex are going up again?


It is there, not sure what the point is aside from having toons on 1 acct verse 2, since you are basically paying for 2 accounts of service with 1 account without being able to run both at same time.
It does indeed have a very limited use and becomes financially worse than a second account, at about 3 months per char. But it does allow for alt training for specific tasks and without the need to either move the char, or keep another account going after.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#19 - 2013-05-27 18:06:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
Mag's wrote:
[BUT NOT FOR FREE, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.


We're already paying as it is.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#20 - 2013-05-27 18:58:31 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Mag's wrote:
[BUT NOT FOR FREE, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.


We're already paying as it is.


Yeah. To train one character. Now you can opt to pay to train another on the same account rather than transferring it for 2 plex, plexing that account, and transferring back for another 2 plex.

Why you want to triple the rate of influx of SP into the game baffles me. Who exactly would that help?
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