EVE General Discussion

Simple solution is either embrace PvP, or try to avoid/don't rage if someone brings it to your doorstep.

Stay aligned, and watch D-Scan.
Or, just say "f**k it" and go look for the fight.

No podding = less pvp for obvious reasons ...

I support the idea OP introduced. I am one of people thinking this way. I tried pvp on friend's account, it was very amusing (kaboom b*tchez!!) and I love FWing with that account, but I want to do it with my main without many pointless expenses. Implants are part of that problem. I don't understand why do I have to risk hundreds of thousands isk just when I want to kill something. Or be killed in that matter, which somehow seems more probable. Loosing ship and equipment is ok, after all the whole eve economy is bades on that, but frankly the deeper in the game you are the bigger are the barriers telling you not to engage in any PvP whatsoever. Spent milions on implants? Don't fight, all would be in vain once you die! Learned many milions of skills? Don't pvp because of clone costs! Btw simple reduction on clone prices by 30% or so for Oddysed can hardly be seen as adressing this issue, more like getting some more time to figure out how to rework the whole system.
Anyway, I think that at some point everyone in eve should start doing pvp, simply because you can't do industrial/pve stuff forever without getting bored. If you have enough money to buy at least a hundred frigates, some destroyers and apropriate equipment for them then it makes total sence to join the space rampage and kill someone. But at that point the whole career so far weights heavily agains doing so instead of supporting or at worst being neutral. But as long as those pointless ISK faucets like clone costs are in place I fear there will be many people who simply don't go shoot people because of the toys it breaks you when you do.

And for the "make an alt you n00b" crowd: You know, the point of main character is that you do stuff with him. You can have alts to help you around, but if you want to pvp with alt your main account looses its reason d'etre. The advice given can be translated into "wanna pvp? ignore your main and start again!" That seems like a hole in game design. And even more so when one can switch bewithout any difficulties switch between any other career except for pvp mongrel.

Well, reducing the ISK loss per pod will allow those people that do PvP to do more PvP because they can spend less time grinding ISK to finance another pod. So even when only few people will jump the fence and into PvP, the overall increase in active PvPers looking for a fight will increase the density of combatants and thus increase the likeliness of finding a fight.

Low Sec + Lost Pod = You're a Moron.

Thumpers and fallacies result in second character training in same account, reduction of clones cost and on the verge of getting revamp.

Rails/blasters revamp after literally thousands of pages of complaints through several threadnaughts guys like you came with same fantastic observations and spectacularly intelligent comments like this you made.

Ships rebalance you guys said they were fine and should not be taken look at because you ware afraid to loose your tràlàlà, and the list goes on and on and on and on.

It's thanks to these thumper players like you like to call them, this game becomes better and attracts more and more people, not because of selfish arrogants unable to adapt or evolve that would like this game to still be at vanilla version.
In the end you self congratulate yourself this game is awesome and better like if you were for something when actually you guys have nothing to do with it, it's rather the opposite.

Cya for more thumps and fallacies soon. Watch the door closely but avoid watching the looker hole, you might see something you don't like.

So your solution is a new character? LOL, the fact that you don't see how this a bad design means you are beyond understanding the issue.

As for the rest of your BS, red herring. Drag your little fish someplace else.

Economic reasons, we could also imagine the expiration of these for several reasons but I'm quite against this.

While clones cost at each death is without a doubt an element impacting players choice to pvp or not, implants loss can perfectly be avoided by clone jumping.
Clone jumping reduced to 18/20 hours or even 12 plus clone cost fixed once per whatever amount of sp and no matter how much your toon dies would help a lot to push players to do more pvp, older players to use their higher sp clone etc.

Implants are not a negative point since it's players choice to use them or not, clone cost at each death is negative, clone jump timer is also negative and does not take in consideration the majority of players actually have a life and the 24h timer just does not help them choose to pvp or pve but pushes them too keep the pve toon and keep killing red crosses instead of players.

You are killing the wrong things.

I try not to judge Bat-Co. It isn't for me to say why others play games but I refuse to feed on the weak. That's the choice I make in this game and in any game.

Provi and NRDS were never a stepping stone to something greater for me. It was a genuine decision I made in EVE. I suppose I need to see the flaw in my own game as I am in High Sec and not HQ'ed out of Hosh or Ziriert. Again I lack the desire, the motive.

tldr: I don't want to shoot neutral freighters. It feels wrong.