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John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#61 - 2013-05-26 12:01:07 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
John Ratcliffe wrote:
How is that any different from real life?

How about the part where you can't respec SP in real life. Minor detail.


You were arguing about money causing an imbalance. Stay on target.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#62 - 2013-05-26 12:03:52 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
You were arguing about money causing an imbalance.

No I wasn't. I was arguing about selfish players who want to ruin the game. You were arguing that you can pay God $10m for a DNA change, which is absurd.

Oh god.
Danni stark
#63 - 2013-05-26 12:04:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Danni stark
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
perhaps you should read my post instead of posting "LALALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU" over and over. it's somewhat juvenile.


Grow up, grasp the facts and stop posting crap. Or go and put your manpon back in, whichever you are most capable of.


oh the irony of that reply.

if i'm so wrong, perhaps you would like to point out where i've gone so horribly wrong. i do like it when people tell me i'm wrong and fail to offer any evidence of such a claim.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2013-05-26 12:08:41 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
I don't see any real issue with allowing remaps for PLEX but I do see some real issues for not allowing skill point reallocation. Although I'm sure some people wouldn't want to hear that.


That's your opinion and you're welcome to it; in the same way I am welcome to mine. Ultimately it's pointless arguing in circles, CCP will either do it or not - it really doesn't matter what we think.

Of course you're welcome to your opinion. We're also entirely welcome to the opinion (which is also not unfounded) that your opinion is bad.
Where were you going with this pointless statement?

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Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-05-26 12:09:47 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Robus Muvila wrote:
2 reasons.

1) WoW has "Levels" a "Level cap" and thusly FINITE AMOUNT OF SKILL POINT PER PLAYER. As in, you get to a point where you cannot gain any more skills and would be stuck with an unchanging characters for the rest of eternity

2) By the time you get to the point where you're wanting to Respec, you're doing instanced raids and battlegrounds. Playing locked off parts of the game that reset at the end and have no impact outside of the instance.

Stop being reasonable. This thread does not deserve it.



God dammit I fell for that one hook line and sinker didn't I Oops

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Six Six Six
Doomheim
#66 - 2013-05-26 12:09:57 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Also I'm not sure of the economics of it, but if goons for example are using their in game isk to purchase more PLEX for this, then it could have a detrimental effect on the PLEX market. IE prices would rocket for people who use it to fund their accounts. Your creating more demand but same amount of supply.


Except you can buy PLEX at any time for IRL cash from CCP. So it only becomes an issue for those gypsies too poor/tight to spend real money.



Try looking at skill point reallocation another way.

You have several accounts and you decide to make one character a trader that was a combat pilot for instance. Do you think it's fair that you could become a trader and be in direct competition with a trader that had trained to be one from the start of their career?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-05-26 12:17:37 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
Because you personally always have a choice, like I choose not to have alts. So I could complain that I'm at a disadvantage but I'm not going to as that was my choice.


Six Six Six wrote:
I have 6 accounts

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Six Six Six
Doomheim
#68 - 2013-05-26 12:20:07 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Because you personally always have a choice, like I choose not to have alts. So I could complain that I'm at a disadvantage but I'm not going to as that was my choice.


Six Six Six wrote:
I have 6 accounts




And your point?

That's right you don't have one as you cherry picked the parts of the quotes to suit your purpose.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#69 - 2013-05-26 12:29:16 UTC
PLEX for remap is a bit pointless, more economical to use the PLEX for 30 days and train slightly off remap. The only use of this would be remapping to "Int/Perc" to train nav skills whereas previously you'd have just done that on Int/Mem, and the like.

I also don't think SP on a single char really matters to anyone any more. SP is just a commodity with a known isk value and must be treated as such.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#70 - 2013-05-26 12:36:03 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
PLEX for remap is a bit pointless.



It's not pointless, but it is something I wouldn't do that often (probably no more than about 4 times a year including the one we get already).
Demolishar
United Aggression
#71 - 2013-05-26 12:39:50 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
PLEX for remap is a bit pointless.



It's not pointless, but it is something I wouldn't do that often (probably no more than about 4 times a year including the one we get already).


So your PLEX usage would be at 133%.
If everyone increased by the same amount, that would actually have a huge effect on the PLEX economy.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#72 - 2013-05-26 12:43:32 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
PLEX for remap is a bit pointless.



It's not pointless, but it is something I wouldn't do that often (probably no more than about 4 times a year including the one we get already).


So your PLEX usage would be at 133%.
If everyone increased by the same amount, that would actually have a huge effect on the PLEX economy.



If you don't want to effect PLEX prices you could buy something from an NPC with isk, it would just be an isk sink then.
Danni stark
#73 - 2013-05-26 12:48:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Danni stark
Demolishar wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
PLEX for remap is a bit pointless.



It's not pointless, but it is something I wouldn't do that often (probably no more than about 4 times a year including the one we get already).


So your PLEX usage would be at 133%.
If everyone increased by the same amount, that would actually have a huge effect on the PLEX economy.


ccp stated at fanfest they weren't that bothered about the price of plex. if i remember rightly they were only concerned with it rising rapidly, and that's why they got involved shortly after the FW changes.

not to mention this new dual training is pretty much a similar thing in terms of increasing plex consumption and ccp don't have a problem adding that.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#74 - 2013-05-26 12:50:56 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
PLEX for remap is a bit pointless.



It's not pointless, but it is something I wouldn't do that often (probably no more than about 4 times a year including the one we get already).


So your PLEX usage would be at 133%.
If everyone increased by the same amount, that would actually have a huge effect on the PLEX economy.


ccp stated at fanfest they weren't that bothered about the price of plex. if i remember rightly they were only concerned with it rising rapidly, and that's why they got involved shortly after the FW changes.

not to mention this new dual training is pretty much a similar thing in terms of increasing plex consumption and ccp don't have a problem adding that.


I wonder what the gross profit is on 30 days of gametime at $17.50.
Danni stark
#75 - 2013-05-26 12:51:32 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
PLEX for remap is a bit pointless.



It's not pointless, but it is something I wouldn't do that often (probably no more than about 4 times a year including the one we get already).


So your PLEX usage would be at 133%.
If everyone increased by the same amount, that would actually have a huge effect on the PLEX economy.


ccp stated at fanfest they weren't that bothered about the price of plex. if i remember rightly they were only concerned with it rising rapidly, and that's why they got involved shortly after the FW changes.

not to mention this new dual training is pretty much a similar thing in terms of increasing plex consumption and ccp don't have a problem adding that.


I wonder what the gross profit is on 30 days of gametime at $17.50.


and that has what to do with the isk price of plex?

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#76 - 2013-05-26 12:54:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Demolishar
Danni stark wrote:
Demolishar wrote:

I wonder what the gross profit is on 30 days of gametime at $17.50.


and that has what to do with the isk price of plex?


I'm just wondering how beneficial it is to CCP to drop their prices, introduce new PLEX sinks, and sell more PLEX, rather than sell less PLEX at the current price.

If the gross profit is some huge number, it would be very beneficial indeed. I think the gross is quite high on CCP's subscription sales and most of their costs are in overheads, tbh.
Danni stark
#77 - 2013-05-26 12:58:26 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
Demolishar wrote:

I wonder what the gross profit is on 30 days of gametime at $17.50.


and that has what to do with the isk price of plex?


I'm just wondering how beneficial it is to CCP to drop their prices, introduce new PLEX sinks, and sell more PLEX, rather than sell less PLEX at the current price.

If the gross profit is some huge number, it would be very beneficial indeed. I think the gross is quite high on CCP's subscription sales and most of their costs are in overheads, tbh.


they can't drop it below current subscription prices anyway really, so i doubt the difference is enough to make people want to buy more plex than they currently do.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#78 - 2013-05-26 13:20:58 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Of course you're welcome to your opinion. We're also entirely welcome to the opinion (which is also not unfounded) that your opinion is bad.


No. I'm right.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#79 - 2013-05-26 13:23:06 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:

Try looking at skill point reallocation another way.

You have several accounts and you decide to make one character a trader that was a combat pilot for instance. Do you think it's fair that you could become a trader and be in direct competition with a trader that had trained to be one from the start of their career?


Yes.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#80 - 2013-05-26 13:23:58 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
John Ratcliffe wrote:
You were arguing about money causing an imbalance.

No I wasn't. I was arguing about selfish players who want to ruin the game. You were arguing that you can pay God $10m for a DNA change, which is absurd.


Or I could argue that it's selfish players like you that want to keep the game the way it is because you can't adapt and you fear change...

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose