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New dev blog: Ship-troduction: The Gallente Talos

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Charles Edisson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#261 - 2011-11-04 21:24:35 UTC
Just tried this on the test server and all I can say is this ship looks nice but it's a pile of ****.

Too slow to get near anything. F all tank, not enough range, . This might not be 100% the ships fault, quite possibly still the gun problem that the Hybrid guns, (read blasters) are still ****.

And what the hell is is with having a build cost of 45-46M isk. are you taking the **** with that build cost.

So in summary a typical Galle ship. these will not be used in 0.0 in their current format. (Appart from replacing Supers in Sov grind).

I really don't think evan a 100% bonus to damage would even make these worth while flying.
Miang Sun
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2011-11-04 21:53:24 UTC
This thing needs to be capable to jump bridge on its own to a scrammed and webbed target. It's the only way it will have any use.
Miang Sun
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#263 - 2011-11-04 21:55:12 UTC
stupid forums dp
Mariner6
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#264 - 2011-11-04 22:22:14 UTC
Miang Sun wrote:
This thing needs to be capable to jump bridge on its own to a scrammed and webbed target. It's the only way it will have any use.


That's pretty damn funny. What's even more amusing is the difference in tone between reading this post and the Tornado and Oracle post. Over there, everyone is happy for the most part. Yet another kick ass awesome ship! Yay Lazors! etc etc.

Over here..... not so much. I think the most interesting post was when CCP even admitted to how fun it was to fly the Talos prior to taking the web bonus away.....hmmmm. We might want to also.
Ikarus Gaul
S I G M A
#265 - 2011-11-05 07:13:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ikarus Gaul
This ship will be rarely flown unless something radically changes ... Gallente doctrine for blaster platforms is completely at odds with battlefield realities. Same goes for Caldari doctrine for rails.

The fact that the original blog announcing the Tornado mentions that the general doctrine for the tier 3 battlecruisers will be to maintain range and transversal speed to minimize damage, and the fact that blasters don't have the range to conform to this premise/doctrine, guarantees the failure of the Gallente variant.

The only things that can save the Talos are:

  • a holistic change to blasters and the related platforms that makes them more viable
  • an exception for the Talos to have a decent tank/buffer to allow it to engage at range without the range/transversal mitigation its peers will have
  • an "X factor" like the web (even if it isn't the web) that helps it maintain the range


Hell, it probably requires all of the above...
Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#266 - 2011-11-05 10:22:29 UTC
No more web bonus for Talos.
No more 25m3 drone bay for Talos. But they got more tracking!!! Why when they can't reach enemies with their ridiculous firerange ??? LOL
This is the masterful example of the incompetence.
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#267 - 2011-11-05 11:45:35 UTC
If Blasters had at the very least more damage, so that a Blaster pilot can be sure he will kill a target once he has it in web and blaster range, then blaster ships might have a place.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.
Infininte escher
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#268 - 2011-11-05 12:23:05 UTC
what about letting the talos fit a larger afterburner compaired to the rest would make the range less of a problem without beating the min's natural speed as it's a modified speed
Charles Edisson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#269 - 2011-11-05 14:14:24 UTC
Dont be silly, it's a galle ship. It's nieche is to look pretty when it dies.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#270 - 2011-11-05 16:32:08 UTC
Charles Edisson wrote:
Dont be silly, it's a galle ship. It's nieche is to look pretty when it dies.



More or less like this yes Lol
Cornette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#271 - 2011-11-05 18:00:53 UTC
Charles Edisson wrote:
Dont be silly, it's a galle ship. It's nieche is to look pretty when it dies.






This made me Lol
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#272 - 2011-11-05 22:40:27 UTC
Well has it stands on SISI right now Talos is total crap.

Armor tank makes another brick, just another cause we didn't had enough.

DPS is ..... what is dps already?

Speed meh

maneuvrability meh

Tank meh

Shield tanked makes it a lot more agile, keeps a good top speed without being something extraordinary, aloud the use of 2 TE's and 2MFS's in lows with 1 DCII or another TE/MFS at your wish making the thin tank even worst, but you have some dps...

Ammo used: faction antimater for close range and lol NULL because it's better than faction iron....VOID you avoid it, has usual.

T2 ammo needs you CCP to give it some love, more than that that you love it really hard if you want that stuff to be worthy some day.

Because Tornado is another fracking pownmobile ready to come out, skirmish has snipe has gank has pos blah blah, this ship is just better at everything.

Thx so much for this hybrids rebalance Lol
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#273 - 2011-11-06 01:49:29 UTC
CCP yours incompetence is killing me .... Good that I didn't give my credit card no# to CCP payments lol...

What are you doing there ? Not so much PPL has left the game ? Well... You are on good way to ruin it to game over .

All hands to hybrids!!! or ppl will get pissed.. Talos sucks and I may ask WTF is this ?? Tourist SHIP? Yacht ? ...

PS. Good that I subscribed only for one month...
ViperLok
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#274 - 2011-11-06 02:33:43 UTC
The Talos is perfect, If anything It needs a speed nerf. So I can keep killing Gallente ships in my Hulk.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#275 - 2011-11-06 05:12:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
you guys should test on SISI the sniper Tornado 1400, sniper/brawler Tornado 800, has most rusty ships, just perfect killing machine Lol

Talos atm is very meh, either in tank or dps. didn't tested with the web bonus but obviously doesn't need, can't get in range before it's blown anyway.

The diemost s I've crossed are still diemost, maybe with more pg but still diemost, while the zealot ... nice ship for sure.
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#276 - 2011-11-06 09:38:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rip Minner
This ship is Pre-Nerfed becouse Hybirds will still suck even after the Hybird changes.

How about you give use a fun ship at least based off Drones. Thoughs are at least always fun and are the most used Gallente ships. Ya mainly becouse Hybirds suck but at least drones are fun still.

Ideal time and feel free to tell me I'm crazy after you read it all and think about how it would work.


Talos

While not endowed with any High slot weapon systems though's guys over at Creo Dron have out done them selfs this time. They have learned how to fit the Carriers uniq drone hardwired subsystem routins onto a Battle Cruiser at the cost of any other weapon system. And pushed the envolope of what mite be considered safe with drone AI.

Developer: Creo Dron

Role Bonus: 99% reduction in warfare Link module CPU needs. Can use 1 Warfare Link module.

Battlecruiser Skill bonus: +25 Drone Bandwidth and +50 Drone Bay per level.
10% increase to drone hitpoints and damage dealt by drones per level.

Speical Weapon System Bonus: 99.7% Reduction in Drone Control Unit 1 module CPU and Powergrid needs.



6 high slots
5 med slots
6 low slots

Drone Bandwidth 125m3
Drone Bay 375m3

And what ever cpu/powergride is needed or fair same for the mid's and low's.

But I realy think 6 highs is just right. It lets you fit max dps with a warfare link or you have to start giving up warfare link and dps for other high slot mods and it also forces you to give up high slot mods for more drone range. i.e. if you want to snip with Senterys you have to start feeding drone link augmentors into high slots lowering the amound of dps you can do not counting the Omnidrectionals tracking links eating up mids.

Max level
Drone Bandwidth 250m3
Drone Bay 625m3

That will let you field 10 heavys or senterys. You can check EFT for the dps of a Dominx riged with 2x SDA is 538 for Garde 2's or double it for this ship at 1076. But keep in mind that's max dmg and drone rigs lower cpu so 2xSDA rigs pluse drone modes should turn you into a glass cannon.

And with out any SDA's your looking at around 450 dps or double it for this ship at 900.

I realy think the dps is on par with the other ships and one full flight of drones is 250m3 and it's your only weapon so the 625m3 drone bay is not that big and it still makes the loss of drones harmfull if it go's on to long or aoe dmg is cleaning the clock on your drones.

And the Cargo hold needs to be halved as you will need to carry no ammo but to make it fair we need to lower the amount of cap boosters in there.

Ok thats just a ruff ideal for a fun Teir 3 BC. Reather then the Pre-Nerfted Hybird ship thats comeing are way.

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#277 - 2011-11-06 12:10:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Rip Minner wrote:
This ship is Pre-Nerfed becouse Hybirds will still suck even after the Hybird changes.

How about you give use a fun ship at least based off Drones. Thoughs are at least always fun and are the most used Gallente ships. Ya mainly becouse Hybirds suck but at least drones are fun still.

Ideal time and feel free to tell me I'm crazy after you read it all and think about how it would work.


Talos

While not endowed with any High slot weapon systems though's guys over at Creo Dron have out done them selfs this time. They have learned how to fit the Carriers uniq drone hardwired subsystem routins onto a Battle Cruiser at the cost of any other weapon system. And pushed the envolope of what mite be considered safe with drone AI.

Developer: Creo Dron

Role Bonus: 99% reduction in warfare Link module CPU needs. Can use 1 Warfare Link module.

Battlecruiser Skill bonus: +25 Drone Bandwidth and +50 Drone Bay per level.
10% increase to drone hitpoints and damage dealt by drones per level.

Speical Weapon System Bonus: 99.7% Reduction in Drone Control Unit 1 module CPU and Powergrid needs.



6 high slots
5 med slots
6 low slots

Drone Bandwidth 125m3
Drone Bay 375m3

And what ever cpu/powergride is needed or fair same for the mid's and low's.

But I realy think 6 highs is just right. It lets you fit max dps with a warfare link or you have to start giving up warfare link and dps for other high slot mods and it also forces you to give up high slot mods for more drone range. i.e. if you want to snip with Senterys you have to start feeding drone link augmentors into high slots lowering the amound of dps you can do not counting the Omnidrectionals tracking links eating up mids.

Max level
Drone Bandwidth 250m3
Drone Bay 625m3

That will let you field 10 heavys or senterys. You can check EFT for the dps of a Dominx riged with 2x SDA is 538 for Garde 2's or double it for this ship at 1076. But keep in mind that's max dmg and drone rigs lower cpu so 2xSDA rigs pluse drone modes should turn you into a glass cannon.

And with out any SDA's your looking at around 450 dps or double it for this ship at 900.

I realy think the dps is on par with the other ships and one full flight of drones is 250m3 and it's your only weapon so the 625m3 drone bay is not that big and it still makes the loss of drones harmfull if it go's on to long or aoe dmg is cleaning the clock on your drones.

And the Cargo hold needs to be halved as you will need to carry no ammo but to make it fair we need to lower the amount of cap boosters in there.

Ok thats just a ruff ideal for a fun Teir 3 BC. Reather then the Pre-Nerfted Hybird ship thats comeing are way.


Well to be honest I'd like to test this setup, the extra drone control unit would just make so fun to use.

The single problem I can see with is the fact that this ship would still be stuck in pve role or very small gang role.
Drones can be popped, a single smart bomb or Burst ECM and that's it you have 0dps.
While I agree those drone boats are the preferred boat of almost every gallente starter pilot it's just because they don't have that much choice, If I could fit a full 8 cruise launchers on my Hyperion believe me I wouldn't bother with hybrids any more.

Has you just said in another post, CCP will have to comem to the conclusion they just can't keep the shortest range weapon system in the game where everything else has range, dps, dmg selection or/and application.
IF they do then they clearly don't give a fück about hybrids and balance and just need to keep one race on the bottom so even idiots can have easy killmails. This is exactly where Gallente sub caps stands.
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#278 - 2011-11-06 12:22:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Rip Minner
Tanya Powers wrote:
Rip Minner wrote:
This ship is Pre-Nerfed becouse Hybirds will still suck even after the Hybird changes.

How about you give use a fun ship at least based off Drones. Thoughs are at least always fun and are the most used Gallente ships. Ya mainly becouse Hybirds suck but at least drones are fun still.

Ideal time and feel free to tell me I'm crazy after you read it all and think about how it would work.


Talos

While not endowed with any High slot weapon systems though's guys over at Creo Dron have out done them selfs this time. They have learned how to fit the Carriers uniq drone hardwired subsystem routins onto a Battle Cruiser at the cost of any other weapon system. And pushed the envolope of what mite be considered safe with drone AI.

Developer: Creo Dron

Role Bonus: 99% reduction in warfare Link module CPU needs. Can use 1 Warfare Link module.

Battlecruiser Skill bonus: +25 Drone Bandwidth and +50 Drone Bay per level.
10% increase to drone hitpoints and damage dealt by drones per level.

Speical Weapon System Bonus: 99.7% Reduction in Drone Control Unit 1 module CPU and Powergrid needs.



6 high slots
5 med slots
6 low slots

Drone Bandwidth 125m3
Drone Bay 375m3

And what ever cpu/powergride is needed or fair same for the mid's and low's.

But I realy think 6 highs is just right. It lets you fit max dps with a warfare link or you have to start giving up warfare link and dps for other high slot mods and it also forces you to give up high slot mods for more drone range. i.e. if you want to snip with Senterys you have to start feeding drone link augmentors into high slots lowering the amound of dps you can do not counting the Omnidrectionals tracking links eating up mids.

Max level
Drone Bandwidth 250m3
Drone Bay 625m3

That will let you field 10 heavys or senterys. You can check EFT for the dps of a Dominx riged with 2x SDA is 538 for Garde 2's or double it for this ship at 1076. But keep in mind that's max dmg and drone rigs lower cpu so 2xSDA rigs pluse drone modes should turn you into a glass cannon.

And with out any SDA's your looking at around 450 dps or double it for this ship at 900.

I realy think the dps is on par with the other ships and one full flight of drones is 250m3 and it's your only weapon so the 625m3 drone bay is not that big and it still makes the loss of drones harmfull if it go's on to long or aoe dmg is cleaning the clock on your drones.

And the Cargo hold needs to be halved as you will need to carry no ammo but to make it fair we need to lower the amount of cap boosters in there.

Ok thats just a ruff ideal for a fun Teir 3 BC. Reather then the Pre-Nerfted Hybird ship thats comeing are way.


Well to be honest I'd like to test this setup, the extra drone control unit would just make so fun to use.

The single problem I can see with is the fact that this ship would still be stuck in pve role or very small gang role.
Drones can be popped, a single smart bomb or Burst ECM and that's it you have 0dps.
While I agree those drone boats are the preferred boat of almost every gallente starter pilot it's just because they don't have that much choice, If I could fit a full 8 cruise launchers on my Hyperion believe me I wouldn't bother with hybrids any more.

Has you just said in another post, CCP will have to comem to the conclusion they just can't keep the shortest range weapon system in the game where everything else has range, dps, dmg selection or/and application.
IF they do then they clearly don't give a fück about hybrids and balance and just need to keep one race on the bottom so even idiots can have easy killmails. This is exactly where Gallente sub caps stands.



Well this is true but even with Hybird set up you get nuted zero dps or cap booster limit number of thoughs with ammo in hanger.
same with limited number of drones in bay. But like I said I just think this thing would be way funner to play both in PVE and at least have a fighting shot at pvp too. You would only lose all drones to smart bombs all at once if you droped your drones all in one place. Drop one or two at a time as your moving for pvp for senterys. But hay if people start carrying smart bombs all the time for fighting Talos then I would say thats a job well done.Pirate

And at this point I do think they clearly dont give a two ***** and a giggle about Hybirds. But at least were geting Tech 2 ammo's worked on and much needed fitting fixs. And even a small boost to Rails. We have just taken Caldires place as the pve race right now.

Well I mean if you dont count ships like the Valgur for speed pve.Oops

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
Infininte escher
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#279 - 2011-11-06 15:05:54 UTC
hybrid's still suck but i became gallente for the drones, remove most or all high slots make it a sentry specialist able to drop 10 sentry's (in a grouped moded to possibley hold back on lag)
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#280 - 2011-11-06 15:18:02 UTC
Check this out

Just saw it from another thread. LolQuestion

SISI is going crazy Lol