Player Features and Ideas Discussion

as we all know T2 BPOs have been removed for a long time, they arent distrubuted anymore but some people who were lucky to get one have massive profits from these BPOs.
To remove this unfair advantage from the game, I suggest implementing a slight chance of destruction for these BPOs per each industry job performed with that BPO. Lets say 0.00000001% or something low like that.

Or better yet, remove them all from the game, period. It's absurdly unbalanced to have maxed researched T2 BPO's out there, no matter why they were originally given out or who to. CCP is doing this whole rebalance Eve thing right now, well T2 BPO's need to be yanked from the game, ALL OF THEM.

Oh, it must be that time of the month again.

No. This has been discussed to death and remains a no.

I'm rather surprised with you and this thread Robert.

Here's the problem with your argument. EVERYONE in EVE has access to T2 BPOs. They come up for sale quite regularly.

If you feel they produce more profit than their expense justifies (i.e. an advantage), why haven't you bought one and hopped on the bandwagon?

Then you put it back up on sale for even higher price. Free isk meanwhile, plus a nice interest for keeping it warm.

Btw, +1

you sir are an idiot........ look at the sale forums. theya re there now and ive never not seen a t2 bpo for sale there. stop whinning and go back to wow you ungrateful carebear. im tired of noobs who have been playing for 3 years crying about the advantage us long time vets have had over you. deal with it and go cry in your corner.

That's nice.

Also there are many T2 BPOs for sale. I see 10 on the first page right now.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=240073&find=unread

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238683&find=unread

How long ago did the t2 BPO lottery end?
At LEAST 5+ years ago (Source), although I've heard estimates of 7-8 years ago (source).

You might have had a case for removing them many, many years ago, where people originally obtained t2 BPO's by luck. However, at this point, most people that have them worked for them (by thieving, killing, or buying them). Removing them now is just wrong on many levels, primarily because you're destroying years of efforts of many players that use them as investment items, which acquired them by fair and balanced means.

Now, no one (intelligent) can dispute that T2 BPO's allow players to produce a t2 items more profitably compared to invention (that is, when you ignore the cost of acquiring the t2 BPO). But most items in game are profitably produced by invention, and attacking the BPO holders really won't result in you making more isk (instead, you'll just realize more quickly that you are just bad at T2 Production, probably because you aren't informed).

So, before you respond, you need to go look at the facts:

In March 2012, the percentage of modules produce from invention:

93.95% of T2 Gyrostabilizers,
89.77% of 1400mm II,
87.34% of 425mm Rail II,
82.00% of Tachyon II,
74.23% of Torpedo Launcher II.

In March 2012, the percentage of ships produce from invention:

90.23% of Hulks,
67.85% of Sabres
65.01% of Wolves
22.16% of Pilgrims
6.00% of Eagles

Data Source
Additional Data Source
Direct Source <-- Have to search to find the relevant tweets.

Here's the point: Modules and Ammo are primarily produced through invention, so removal of those BPO's wont do anything but HURT the BPO holder.... These producers wont see more profit, and the consumers wont get any items cheaper.... Considering the work most BPO holders put in to acquire their BPO, this is just cruel and wrong to do!!!! Now, Ship production is often dominated by t2 BPO holders... however these items move slowly, and typically priced BELOW the invention production cost.... so removing these BPO's would result in HIGHER PRICES for people that want to buy these ships.... How is that good???? Sure, it means people that want to produce Eagles via invention could then make a profit, but who wants to reward the idiotic fool that is trying to produce slow moving T2 Ships for profit by paying more for those ships????

I have few more points:
1.) Many serious producers secure moongoo and minerals at BELOW MARKET VALUE. If you are competing against them, you're just going to lose.... Should this be fixed too? I think not, I like getting cheaper items....

2.) I'm not opposed to giving a boon to t2 production at POS's, such that we can produce t2 items at high-ME levels (which won't really alter module production all that much, but will ammo & ship production). The caveat.... this new POS production module can ONLY be done in LOWSEC or NULLSEC....

3.) I'd like there to be more risk to using ALL BPOs.... Having a BPO safely locked away in a station where it's at extremely low risk seems broken to me.... I realize we can't force expensive BPOs to be used AT THE POS until POS's have been revamped so players can have secure-able POS hangars, but implementing something like this would be awesome!!

This tired old topic again. And again the thread is full of idiots who fail at math.