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No podding, more PvP

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Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#21 - 2013-05-25 14:48:00 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
If implants were made to expire instead of being destroyed to fuel the economy, and if podding did not occur, would people PvP more? Especially considering one of the easiest ways to get implants is through FW?

Sometimes the cost of the ship is secondary to the cost of implants. If the risk of losing implants in combat went away my guess is more people would participate.


This is the start of the road to hell, where all PvP is instanced...

Not just no, FK NO!!
Darth Maule
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-05-25 14:49:40 UTC
I thought the whole fight to get through their ship was for that euphoric feeling that only podding gives .
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-05-25 14:50:27 UTC
Or, y'know, have a blank jump clone and x-fer to that if you want to go pew pew.
It doesn't take that long to raise standings enough to install a jc.
CanI haveyourstuff
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-05-25 15:05:25 UTC
/signed to remove learning implants.

I would definetly PVP more if I dont have to fck around with jumpclones so my +5-s could be safe.....
flakeys
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-05-25 15:06:05 UTC
Gealbhan wrote:
Or, y'know, have a blank jump clone and x-fer to that if you want to go pew pew.
It doesn't take that long to raise standings enough to install a jc.



Appearantly that is WAYYYYYYYYYYY too much work. Roll

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-05-25 15:06:47 UTC
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
/signed to remove learning implants.

I would definetly PVP more if I dont have to fck around with jumpclones so my +5-s could be safe.....



You allready can have 4 of those .... how many clones would be enough ? 10 , 50 , 100 ?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2013-05-25 15:08:52 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
No, the risk-adverse would simply find another reason to stay docked.


This needs to be said again.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#28 - 2013-05-25 15:14:47 UTC
CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
/signed to remove learning implants.

I would definetly PVP more if I dont have to fck around with jumpclones so my +5-s could be safe.....


Why don't you just get rid of them?

Oh god.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#29 - 2013-05-25 15:17:58 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Or let's just remove all implants from the game? Cool


Let's make all ships cost 100 ISK!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2013-05-25 15:18:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
No, the risk-adverse would simply find another reason to stay docked.


This needs to be said again.



Agreed

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#31 - 2013-05-25 15:47:47 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
No, the risk-adverse would simply find another reason to stay docked.


This needs to be said again.



Agreed


Can never be said too much...
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-05-25 15:51:59 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I prefer ideas which encourage PvP to ideas which cater for the excuses of those who don't wish to PvP.


Stop being so 1 sided. While the game is indeed based around PVP not everyone wants to go out looking for it. People should be allowed to play the way they want to play, not the way others want them to play. They are not excuses, they a reasons. It's just not something everyone enjoys.
Adunh Slavy
#33 - 2013-05-25 15:55:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
Get rid of clone costs and the silly need to click a button to protect your SP.

Leave learning implants in the game, that is risk choosen by the player.

Let players choose how much to risk instead of it being forced upon them by the antiquated clone system.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
flakeys
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-05-25 15:58:28 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Or let's just remove all implants from the game? Cool


Let's make all ships cost 100 ISK!



One day i'll learn you what sarcasm means ...



We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#35 - 2013-05-25 16:00:45 UTC
Xavier Liche wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
No, the risk-adverse would simply find another reason to stay docked.


This needs to be said again.



Agreed


Can never be said too much...


Truth

.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#36 - 2013-05-25 16:04:18 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Stop being so 1 sided. While the game is indeed based around PVP not everyone wants to go out looking for it. People should be allowed to play the way they want to play, not the way others want them to play. They are not excuses, they a reasons. It's just not something everyone enjoys.

Yes you're right, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Oh god.
flakeys
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-05-25 16:04:58 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
I prefer ideas which encourage PvP to ideas which cater for the excuses of those who don't wish to PvP.


Stop being so 1 sided. While the game is indeed based around PVP not everyone wants to go out looking for it. People should be allowed to play the way they want to play, not the way others want them to play. They are not excuses, they a reasons. It's just not something everyone enjoys.


Then don't do it no problem there.


The issue here is this : At what point should we stop reducing the risk?

You can set up 4 jump clones.It is not that people can't fight without the risk of loosing implants to a podkill.They CHOOSE to fill all their clones with expensive implants.Now we could add another 4 or 6 clones , i can tell you now it won't change one thing.Those people who don't pvp now because of implants will not pvp when they can't get podded.

Then it will be a problem that you loose too much isk on a T2 ship loss.And when that problem is countered it will be something else.

It's the same as with kids.Every day they got an excuse why they can't do X or Y but it just comes down to not feeling like doing it at all.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Bane Veradun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-05-25 16:05:51 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
If you remove implants from the game, it would make killing pods pointless.


Never stopped people from doing it since the beginning of the game. Point is pointless.

Hi.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-05-25 16:06:36 UTC
For all pods that you don't kill, I'll kill 3.
Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-05-25 16:11:45 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I prefer ideas which encourage PvP to ideas which cater for the excuses of those who don't wish to PvP.



Perhaps you are confusing excuses with reasons, why should I break away from my profit making venture to fly a ship that i am not optimum in and get podded by you just so i can say i am brave? I think i will just cloak up and wait till you get bored, for now. But do continue to hunt me, because if you did not, than my game would not be as much fun either! Remaining elusive requires skill as much as does the hunt. But dont take my implants just because you see that as the reason I do not openly fight. For those very implants that you despise are bringing up your next opponent that much faster.