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Blasting through Null and kinda surprised...
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Ylariana
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#121 - 2013-05-25 05:56:34 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Arcelian wrote:

Is it really about the income? I don't think so. It's more about the "stigma" of null-sec. Being a mindless drone, working to make others rich. I felt the same way, quite ignorantly.

Then with some luck I gave it a try, and landed in a fantastic null sec corporation. It's been nothing short of awesome. I believe the real problem is that many like to play eve mostly solo, with the corp being a glorified chat room. It's much more difficult to try to do that, in null sec, because all you have is each other.

And most empire dwellers are happy with this mostly solo existence, just as I was.

Because they don't know there is something better.


Yes its about the isk. Why take on that added risk and forced downtime in isk making when high sec offers the same but with no drawbacks?


A risk created by the zealous/jealous attacking of pretty much any ship that isnt on your friends list. What you numb-nuts dont seem to grasp is that YOU and YOUR playstyle are the cause of your "Increased Risk" problem.
Just because you CAN do a thing does not mean that you are right to do it.
Instead of foisting your problems onto other people (demanding they lose something to make your problem less of a concern), how about address your behaviour and use your much touted "Emergent gameplay" to reduce the risk in operating in the areas YOU have chosen to operate in....... Or is that too much like dealing with your own mess for you ?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#122 - 2013-05-25 06:35:57 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Ylariana wrote:


A risk created by the zealous/jealous attacking of pretty much any ship that isnt on your friends list. What you numb-nuts dont seem to grasp is that YOU and YOUR playstyle are the cause of your "Increased Risk" problem.
Just because you CAN do a thing does not mean that you are right to do it.
Instead of foisting your problems onto other people (demanding they lose something to make your problem less of a concern), how about address your behaviour and use your much touted "Emergent gameplay" to reduce the risk in operating in the areas YOU have chosen to operate in....... Or is that too much like dealing with your own mess for you ?


People would be more than willing to accept that risk if they were earning more than in high sec.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#123 - 2013-05-25 06:39:56 UTC
Karig'Ano Keikira wrote:
I did some 0.0 roams in stealth bombers with idea of fishing stuff, so perhaps I not experienced enough, but my experiences were pretty much:
- pipes to highsec are camped, not 23/7, but very often
- pipes to low-sec close to highsec are camped, less often then ones to hs though


Could there be a connection between this...

Karig'Ano Keikira wrote:
- null itself, well... it seems that most people don't mine in 0.0 and that most of them rat in well protected systems deep in their alliance territory and these systems are well defended and quite busy - bad for fishing as they will react form defense long before you reach them or will just PoS up. Rest of 0.0, well... pretty much no one around - few explorers here and there, but these are very rare and very paranoid, rest is mostly large gangs or solo people in interdictors or frigs.
- personally, conclusion was that hunting explorers or noob ratters might be interesting, but it is extremely time consuming - you might spent hours without seeing anything, perhaps even days.


... and this?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#124 - 2013-05-25 06:49:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Ylariana wrote:
A risk created by the zealous/jealous attacking of pretty much any ship that isnt on your friends list. What you numb-nuts dont seem to grasp is that YOU and YOUR playstyle are the cause of your "Increased Risk" problem.
Just because you CAN do a thing does not mean that you are right to do it.
Instead of foisting your problems onto other people (demanding they lose something to make your problem less of a concern), how about address your behaviour and use your much touted "Emergent gameplay" to reduce the risk in operating in the areas YOU have chosen to operate in....... Or is that too much like dealing with your own mess for you ?


"my playstyle is wanting safety and cotton wool given to me in return for no price or effort but i deserve the same income availability as those who do put effort towards having that very availability because Playstyle"

christ that gets tired

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#125 - 2013-05-25 06:54:27 UTC
i find it funny that CCP breaks everything for 0.0 and leaves it broken for almost a year, but if the incursion community - none of whom pay a single dime out of their own pockets for this game - is slightly inconvenienced, CCP rushes to fix everything for them and ensure that they are happy and every one of their whims is seen to

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2013-05-25 07:20:34 UTC
Andski wrote:
i find it funny that CCP breaks everything for 0.0 and leaves it broken for almost a year, but if the incursion community - none of whom pay a single dime out of their own pockets for this game - is slightly inconvenienced, CCP rushes to fix everything for them and ensure that they are happy and every one of their whims is seen to

yea, exactly
that's why incursion community got almost dead not so long ago Lol
and 0.0 alliances have enough power and ISK to organize events like "Burn Jita"

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2013-05-25 07:21:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ylariana wrote:


A risk created by the zealous/jealous attacking of pretty much any ship that isnt on your friends list. What you numb-nuts dont seem to grasp is that YOU and YOUR playstyle are the cause of your "Increased Risk" problem.
Just because you CAN do a thing does not mean that you are right to do it.
Instead of foisting your problems onto other people (demanding they lose something to make your problem less of a concern), how about address your behaviour and use your much touted "Emergent gameplay" to reduce the risk in operating in the areas YOU have chosen to operate in....... Or is that too much like dealing with your own mess for you ?


People would be more than willing to accept that risk if they were earning more than in high sec.

yea.
because CCP needs to give players reasons to play with players Lol

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#128 - 2013-05-25 07:27:19 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

yea, exactly
that's why incursion community got almost dead not so long ago Lol
and 0.0 alliances have enough power and ISK to organize events like "Burn Jita"


It was amazing to see all of the arguments against the nerf based upon how good the incursion community was then see all of those people abandon it when the nerf hit. Turns out we were right, they did only care about the isk.
Solanar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#129 - 2013-05-25 07:31:51 UTC
Andski wrote:
i find it funny that CCP breaks everything for 0.0 and leaves it broken for almost a year, but if the incursion community - none of whom pay a single dime out of their own pockets for this game - is slightly inconvenienced, CCP rushes to fix everything for them and ensure that they are happy and every one of their whims is seen to


Is it really that surprising having read this thread? No one actually plays the game in nullsec, why would they?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#130 - 2013-05-25 07:32:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
March rabbit wrote:
yea, exactly
that's why incursion community got almost dead not so long ago Lol
and 0.0 alliances have enough power and ISK to organize events like "Burn Jita"

it almost died because apparently the ones holding them together and running things were nullsec guys who almost took their pve characters to 0.0 until CCP made sure that nobody did anything drastic like "make their isk in a risky part of the game"

goonswarm has a lot of ISK because, well, we fought tooth and nail for 80% of the income we have now but you know let's disregard that because it doesn't fit into your "hisec MUST be the best" narrative

on the other hand most 0.0 alliances who aren't in the CFC or whose names aren't "pandemic legion" don't come close to our wealth, by orders of magnitude

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#131 - 2013-05-25 07:34:30 UTC
do i somehow have to point out why hiseccers, who cannot do something as simple as "rally a few thousand people behind a single CSM candidate" wouldn't be the ones running anything in that community? no? alright good glad i didn't have to waste any time there

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Danni stark
#132 - 2013-05-25 07:37:49 UTC
i kinda stopped following after about page 3. is this now a nerf high sec thread?

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#133 - 2013-05-25 07:38:15 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
i kinda stopped following after about page 3. is this now a nerf high sec thread?


every thread must be a nerf hisec thread

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#134 - 2013-05-25 07:39:28 UTC
anyway op that's the reason why you don't see anything in nullsec: because CCP doesn't seem to want people living there

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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Danni stark
#135 - 2013-05-25 07:41:05 UTC
Andski wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
i kinda stopped following after about page 3. is this now a nerf high sec thread?


every thread must be a nerf hisec thread


don't worry that'll change on the 4th to "i've been living under a rock, an ice rock, wait, where has my ice rock gone?" threads.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#136 - 2013-05-25 07:43:34 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
don't worry that'll change on the 4th to "i've been living under a rock, an ice rock, wait, where has my ice rock gone?" threads.


when the "CCP killed the ice mining community" threads come around i'm sure they'll bring back belts with infinite ice

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Danni stark
#137 - 2013-05-25 07:53:20 UTC
Andski wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
don't worry that'll change on the 4th to "i've been living under a rock, an ice rock, wait, where has my ice rock gone?" threads.


when the "CCP killed the ice mining community" threads come around i'm sure they'll bring back belts with infinite ice


i can just imagine the content of these threads.

dear ccp,
thank you for making ice mining's isk/hour almost four times what it was previously. we hate you.
sincerely, botters everywhere.

i for one am half expecting another forum ban when i mock them relentlessly.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Call Rollard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#138 - 2013-05-25 07:56:21 UTC
I went through 30 jumps through null before, I was in drone space, Everything empty.

I was in a fleet in Querious, we went 25 jumps or so and everything was empty but the deadend systems.

Quite sad to see that hardly much of null gets used. I only find that the people who live in Syndicate, Curse, Fountain and Providence actually use most/all of their sov.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#139 - 2013-05-25 08:01:47 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Andski wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
don't worry that'll change on the 4th to "i've been living under a rock, an ice rock, wait, where has my ice rock gone?" threads.


when the "CCP killed the ice mining community" threads come around i'm sure they'll bring back belts with infinite ice


Don't worry, they wont. The tables have turned and CCP have seen the error of their last few years. It will be slow and involve much fighting but we will fix EVE. Our enemy only has insults and lies to back them while we have numbers, graphs and other assorted evidence.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#140 - 2013-05-25 08:09:56 UTC
Call Rollard wrote:
I went through 30 jumps through null before, I was in drone space, Everything empty.

I was in a fleet in Querious, we went 25 jumps or so and everything was empty but the deadend systems.

Quite sad to see that hardly much of null gets used. I only find that the people who live in Syndicate, Curse, Fountain and Providence actually use most/all of their sov.


yes if only we allowed basically everyone to enter our space and follow our fleets around with characters in NPC corps that we can't shoot because they haven't shown themselves to be hostile by lighting a cyno for whatever group you know has been doing that exact same thing to drop dreads and T3s/faction battleships on your dreads, for weeks

easier to shoot them instead of waiting around

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