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So you think you are immortal?

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Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#21 - 2013-05-23 04:33:32 UTC
Perhaps you are ill-prepared. Perhaps you have not yet had digital mind-maps stored in a heavily-protected citadel hidden away deep in space.

But there were once a people who did, and we are closer to understanding their technologies now more than ever. At this point if a capsuleer is intelligent, prepared, and a tad paranoid, there's really no excuse for them going out like this.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#22 - 2013-05-23 04:46:26 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Enough said.

It is not like this is new to anyone with half a brain, but once again, we are reminded: capsuleers die.

I want you to think about that. And if you feel like going "but", think about it some more.

You are not immortal.

Elsebeth

Ms Rhiannon;

We at Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetic would appreciate it if you would not use the recent death of our cherished Admiral as a tool to chide the overconfident. Our Ancestors have much to teach, but perhaps allow time to heal the recent wounds first. Let her rest, as your own cherished ancestors now do.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-05-23 08:01:00 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
We're quasi-immortal, not "fully" immortal.

All it would take to remove the "im-" from that term in a most in-opportune way would be a clone tech still being a bit under the weather from booze-itis on Monday at the right moment.

Further reason to avoid work on Sunday.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#24 - 2013-05-23 08:20:13 UTC
Apologies to any kin of the Admiral who were offended my choice of using this instance as a means to make the point. As explanation I offer the observation that someone with a lesser legacy would probably not have caught the attention of capsuleers to drive the point home. It was not because I think less of her that I chose to post, but because I feel hers is a story that everyone can hear, regardless of nationality. And yet she perished.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Shiori Shaishi
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-05-23 11:54:39 UTC
Cheap.
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
#26 - 2013-05-23 12:04:03 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Apologies to any kin of the Admiral who were offended my choice of using this instance as a means to make the point.


No worries.

We've become used to your prattling, Elsebeth.

Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of KŌKAK, a Nugoeihuvi affiliate corporation.

Laria Raven
The Scope
#27 - 2013-05-23 16:20:37 UTC
I thought immortal and invulnerable were different words.

Speaking personally, I intend to live forever... or die trying.

Fallen from grace. And as night comes, may flights of Angels visit your sleep... shoot your ships and steal all of your stuff.

Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-05-24 18:19:10 UTC
It happens. It's sad but true. Immortality is for the brochures.. 0.3% isn't that small of a chance if you look at chances of, well, anything.

From: CONCORD
Sent: 2011.06.21 23:56

The untimely death of fellow The Raven Warriors member Greg Styles, on Tuesday, June 21, 2011, is a source of sorrow to me and their many friends in the corporation. Please accept our deepest sympathies in your bereavement. Greg Styles was being reanimated at the cloning facility at the time when the fatal accident occurred.

Greg Styles was a fine person and was admired by their fellow corporation members. CONCORD has no record of Greg Styles, they were probably not seen as a threat to the rest of us. We will all miss them. I realize that words can do little to console you at a time like this, but I want you to know that we share your sorrow.

Sincerely, The Raven Warriors

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#29 - 2013-05-25 07:42:46 UTC
Arista Shahni wrote:
It happens. It's sad but true. Immortality is for the brochures.. 0.3% isn't that small of a chance if you look at chances of, well, anything.


True... a combat pilot who's pod is destroyed once per year has a 30% chance of permanent death after only one century. After three centuries that becomes 90%.

And forget combat... what if you take up dirtside farming and only die of old age once every 100 years? Well that's still 30% every 1000 years.

So figure an average of about 3500 years, tops, before your number comes up. Impressive, yes. Immortal... not so much. And that's assuming that somewhere along the way you don't go completely insane and just kill yourself.

And consider this... how much memory can your brain hold? How much do you remember of the first year of your life? Not much? Keep that in mind because that's how much you're going to remember of this life right now after a century or two. Ask a five hundred year old capsuleer where they were born and they probably won't remember.

And then when you put all of this on a cosmic scale... planets and events that make a million years look like a tick of the clock...

In the end, we are all very very small creatures that only exist for a brief time. To the Universe, the difference between a hundred years and ten thousand isn't even worth noticing.



http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2013-05-25 09:21:15 UTC
The flesh may not be immortal, but the soul is.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#31 - 2013-05-25 09:31:38 UTC
I seriously doubt we have souls, and if we did, we left them when our original body was killed.

I think that in the end all we are is scanned memory engrams (and i doubt scanner copied information transmitted across space counts) transferred from one prepared custom cloned meatpuppet to another, and that's all.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

BloodBird
The Crucible.
#32 - 2013-05-25 14:04:40 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Enough said.

It is not like this is new to anyone with half a brain, but once again, we are reminded: capsuleers die.

I want you to think about that. And if you feel like going "but", think about it some more.

You are not immortal.

Elsebeth


Age-old news to me. But there are quite a few who are in need of a reminder.

Thank you for providing.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#33 - 2013-05-25 16:11:49 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
The flesh may not be immortal, but the soul is.

Speaking of which, isn't it the Amarr belief that the soul moves on after your body dies which makes subsequent clones soulless husks or something?
How do you reconcile that as a capsuleer?
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#34 - 2013-05-25 20:07:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
The flesh may not be immortal, but the soul is.

Speaking of which, isn't it the Amarr belief that the soul moves on after your body dies which makes subsequent clones soulless husks or something?
How do you reconcile that as a capsuleer?

We tend to see the soul as the divine breath of God, not a mindless drone with the line 'If Brain_Functions == 0 then GotoAfterlife();' somewhere in its code.

Once, if your body died, there would be nothing left of you but your soul. That's not the case with Empyreans or even baseliners who soft clone. The soul sticks around you until you shuffle off your mortal coil permanently.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2013-05-25 20:35:30 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Once, if your body died, there would be nothing left of you but your soul. That's not the case with Empyreans or even baseliners who soft clone. The soul sticks around you until you shuffle off your mortal coil permanently.
The opinions differ on that matter.
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#36 - 2013-05-25 22:24:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Felsusguy
Not even mortals truly die. Our unique neurological signature and genetic code are simply lost. If they were ever found again, even a mortal could return from death. Unfortunately, we do not yet have a way to find the neural activity of a dead person, and genetic code breaks down from time and radiation. So I contest that no one truly dies, they simply become lost. Lost in a deep, dark slumber, waiting to be brought back from a sleep they didn't even know about.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

BloodBird
The Crucible.
#37 - 2013-05-26 15:02:07 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
And consider this... how much memory can your brain hold?


Roughly 140 years or so worth of second-to-second memories, but only those with "perfect" memories recall every minute detail of everything they have ever consciously experienced. Shave off all the boring and needless stuff and you likely have a capacity for memory stretching to ten times that at the least. Even Capsuleers who are a century old by now will be quite fine for a good while more.

Katran Luftschreck wrote:
How much do you remember of the first year of your life? Not much?


I'm confident that no-one except absolute sadists want to actually recall the birth-trauma and the utterly boring monotony of being a less-than-a-year toddler. I'm happy not to recall this, and that one of my earliest memories that I can actively recall stems back to my 3rd year, sitting in my mother's lap, playing. It was apparently enjoyable, and in my own current age, I can enjoy the memory of how my mother looked like at the youngest point I can recall.

Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Ask a five hundred year old capsuleer where they were born and they probably won't remember.


I will. I will also recall the high and low points of my pre-Capsuleer life, all the events and days of note in my capsuleer career as well, and likely countless other situations that were of less... interest.

Katran Luftschreck wrote:
And then when you put all of this on a cosmic scale... planets and events that make a million years look like a tick of the clock...


Makes any human's life-span rather irrelevant and fickle, yes. But much can still be done in half a millenia or more of active capsuleer service. Heck, a century will do to leave a good solid mark. Many of us just now celebrate a decade. There are nine more of those to go for most of us to reach the levels of the oldest Capsuleers around.

Katran Luftschreck wrote:
In the end, we are all very very small creatures that only exist for a brief time. To the Universe, the difference between a hundred years and ten thousand isn't even worth noticing.


No, but for all of us being around for ten thousand years would be quite the achievement. Just because the universe is millions of years if not trillions of years old and not likely to end in heat-death for at least that long, don't mean we can't all aim rather high. After all, we will achieve that goal, or die trying.

All I wish would be for all the people thinking it will be easy, to learn some sense of scale and calm down the self-entitlement a bit. All the "I am a demi-God!" stuff get's very old, very fast, and it is proven often to be an incorrect assessment of one's own position anyhow.
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