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Sorry if this this been covered: fuel blocks and Odessey?
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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-05-24 19:06:50 UTC
Are fuel blocks going to spike or go up in price after Odessey? Not looking for an angle here, except perhaps stocking up before they do.

Sorry if this has been covered. Have googled a lot for discussions on this.
Rengerel en Distel
#2 - 2013-05-24 19:20:41 UTC
My crystal ball says: maybe.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-05-24 19:34:35 UTC
Yep, probably double in price by the end of the summer as stockpiles dry up.

Or not. Blink

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-05-24 20:01:18 UTC
Well, I bought 2 months extra supply just in case, and mined out 2k ice blocks as a little hedge.

:)
Bloody Wench
#5 - 2013-05-25 02:38:50 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
Well, I bought 2 months extra supply just in case, and mined out 2k ice blocks as a little hedge.

:)



A whole 2 months? Nice.

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Slippery Penguin
#6 - 2013-05-25 06:43:22 UTC
skys falling, get out while you can
Britta Nolen
Sama Guild
#7 - 2013-05-25 10:52:55 UTC
lol, ice harvesters are getting their cycle time cut in half. GL with that.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-05-25 11:51:41 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
Well, I bought 2 months extra supply just in case, and mined out 2k ice blocks as a little hedge.

:)



A whole 2 months? Nice.


I rarely play more than 3 months at a time.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#9 - 2013-05-25 14:33:00 UTC
Everyone in my alliance who does POS work has a stockpile of a year or more. I think other people are creating huge stocks as well. It may be awhile for any sort of "icepocolypse" to occur, maybe long enough for the game to adapt.

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-05-25 18:36:38 UTC
People are suggesting low ends will fall in price. If that's true, low ends being over 1/2 the costs in making the items I make, I'm guessing higher POS costs will be offset to an extent, so the net effect might be zero.

After that, it's all down to the moon goo changes I guess.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-05-26 04:49:54 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
People are suggesting low ends will fall in price.


Maybe. Over the summer you might keep an eye on battleship volumes combined with any news of increased fighting for freshly shuffled moons.

Depends who gets their knickers in a twist, or not.

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Juwi Kotch
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-05-26 11:20:14 UTC
Everyone I know who can mine is mining ice for last two months. Everyone I know who has a POS is stocking up fuel for the last two months. There is enough ice and fuel in game to last for two years or more without any ice being mined at all.

Simple rule of demand and supply applies here. A radically increased supply will meet a reduced demand. The price for ice will fall.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-05-26 13:16:44 UTC
Juwi Kotch wrote:
Everyone I know who can mine is mining ice for last two months. Everyone I know who has a POS is stocking up fuel for the last two months.


Stockpiles are tricky things. They can be stolen or blown up, and as prices creep up freighters loaded with isotopes will be prime targets in the future.

Or the "stockpile" can simply disappear into the Bit Bucket if a player quits or gets banned.

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Juwi Kotch
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-05-26 22:23:14 UTC
Sure, but blowing up transports or quitting players and things like that also happens in "normal" times and is factored in in "normal" prices with a "normal" supply and demand situation. Less demand and much more supply is just added to this.

But let's see what the prices are in July or August. My bet is on a reduced price for ice compared to today.

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#15 - 2013-05-26 22:29:01 UTC
Juwi Kotch wrote:

But let's see what the prices are in July or August. My bet is on a reduced price for ice compared to today.


I agree that there will be a fluctuation in prices, and it will be a bit rocky for a while, but eventually it will settle to a new, higher stable point

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-05-26 22:59:39 UTC
Hmmmm reduced price for ice?

Let's think: if it increases in price, more people will do it. More people doing it will decrease the price, so fewer people will do it, until the price rises again. Except there's a limit on supply, so an effective floor there (for high-sec mining at least).

I wonder if the stable point around which it will fluctuate has already been priced in with the recent rise?
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-05-28 00:04:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Victoria Sin wrote:
Hmmmm reduced price for ice?

Let's think: if it increases in price, more people will do it. More people doing it will decrease the price, so fewer people will do it, until the price rises again. Except there's a limit on supply, so an effective floor there (for high-sec mining at least).

I wonder if the stable point around which it will fluctuate has already been priced in with the recent rise?



I doubt it. It was only a little under a year ago (mid June, 2012) that White Glaze hit 420K per block.

The price will gradually trend up as stockpiles are consumed, but the real kicker will be if there's another interdiction. The soon-to-be limited availability of ice would make that kind of campaign much more of a shock to the economy than ever before.

Then you'd see the much discussed "butterfly effect" in all it's glory, so to speak.

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Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#18 - 2013-05-28 14:19:49 UTC
My gut says that ice products will not rise significantly more than where they are now. Though highsec will no longer be the sole supplier, the reduction in cycle time will dramatically increase the incentive to mine ice. Any major price jumps would make ice mining as profitable as running incursions. Shocked

Any interdiction events will have signicantly more punch so it will be interesting to see how these mechanic changes affect the meta going forward.
Benteen
Atra Mortis Industries
#19 - 2013-06-09 10:48:14 UTC
Well, I doubt I'll be mining Ice anymore... Every time I've tried it's already gone before I even get there.

I guess having a life is an issue now within EvE...

I predict Ice prices ending up higher than current as alot of the older miners with lives cannot effectively mine anymore.
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#20 - 2013-06-09 11:06:56 UTC
Benteen wrote:
Well, I doubt I'll be mining Ice anymore... Every time I've tried it's already gone before I even get there.

I guess having a life is an issue now within EvE...

I predict Ice prices ending up higher than current as alot of the older miners with lives cannot effectively mine anymore.

Sort of makes you sad, when you see something iconic in Eve change. I feel for the ice miners, and will be looking forward to their tears.

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