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Procurer undervalued

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2013-05-24 09:21:14 UTC
Sabre Rolf wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Sabre Rolf wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

please also let me know those other T1 you are talking about, I did not find them, thanks...


ok, im not telling you now what a "Tier 1 BC" is, so just go ahead and check out following ships: Ferox, Cyclone, Prophecy and Brutix.

the good thing on those, the oversupply only covers the next ~2 years, not like 10 years as for the procurers your so in love with.Lol


checked all 4 of those, but I do not see them selling below production cost, actually the lowest sell order is higher as the production cost of those, using eve central and jitonomic, the procurer however is selling over 50% below production cost


if you are unable to calculate that yourself, just use a tool for thatRoll

http://eveeye.com/?blueprint=Cyclone+Blueprint&ML=50&PL=10&POS=1&F60=1&P=1
http://eveeye.com/?blueprint=Brutix+Blueprint&ML=50&PL=30&F60=1&P=1&sellPrice=39.986.548,00
http://eveeye.com/?blueprint=Ferox+Blueprint&ML=50&PL=30&F60=1&P=1
http://eveeye.com/?blueprint=Prophecy+Blueprint&ML=50&PL=30&F60=1&P=1


i checked it with the tool mentioned in my post
Sabre Rolf
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-05-24 09:41:27 UTC
Site is not up to date (at least a half year late) it doesnt even include the extra materials
Amuntis
Cayman Island
#23 - 2013-05-24 10:56:15 UTC
What exactly is it that you want to achieve with this thread?
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2013-05-24 10:56:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Sabre Rolf wrote:
Site is not up to date (at least a half year late) it doesnt even include the extra materials


yea looks like it, procurer however seemed to be correct, I'll use that eveeye in the future... this one also seems to be correct http://www.eve-cost.eu/calculator ...I might place some buy orders for the prophecy today and see how those will turn out
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2013-05-24 10:57:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Amuntis wrote:
What exactly is it that you want to achieve with this thread?


it is written in the thread, you might just read it
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#26 - 2013-05-24 11:07:14 UTC
If I thought you were even half serious, I would say come hang out in the lounge and ask questions.

However, part of asking questions involves being able to listen to the answers, so *shrugs*
Amuntis
Cayman Island
#27 - 2013-05-24 11:24:20 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Amuntis wrote:
What exactly is it that you want to achieve with this thread?


it is written in the thread, you might just read it


Your initial post:

"Lolz procurers going up in price, lol monies lolz!"



Good on you for speculating about the market with upcoming changes, but I ask again, what is it that you want to achieve through making this thread?
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2013-05-24 11:55:03 UTC
Amuntis wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Amuntis wrote:
What exactly is it that you want to achieve with this thread?


it is written in the thread, you might just read it


Your initial post:

"Lolz procurers going up in price, lol monies lolz!"



Good on you for speculating about the market with upcoming changes, but I ask again, what is it that you want to achieve through making this thread?


it is written in the last paragraph of the thread...
Amuntis
Cayman Island
#29 - 2013-05-24 11:59:03 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Amuntis wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Amuntis wrote:
What exactly is it that you want to achieve with this thread?


it is written in the thread, you might just read it


Your initial post:

"Lolz procurers going up in price, lol monies lolz!"



Good on you for speculating about the market with upcoming changes, but I ask again, what is it that you want to achieve through making this thread?


it is written in the last paragraph of the thread...



You want to form a pricing-cartel with hundreds of other players, instead of waiting for their supply to run out/buying them out.

Good luck.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2013-05-24 12:06:30 UTC
Amuntis wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Amuntis wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Amuntis wrote:
What exactly is it that you want to achieve with this thread?


it is written in the thread, you might just read it


Your initial post:

"Lolz procurers going up in price, lol monies lolz!"



Good on you for speculating about the market with upcoming changes, but I ask again, what is it that you want to achieve through making this thread?


it is written in the last paragraph of the thread...



You want to form a pricing-cartel with hundreds of other players, instead of waiting for their supply to run out/buying them out.

Good luck.


I just want to buy those up who are sold cheap and sell them for their real price, the real high sell orders are on the market starting with 14 million much higher as they are now, so the big investors have already the same plan and do not sell that cheap... like mentioned everybody needs to decide for himself I just want to speed things up a bit, if some think its valid they jump in and things will be faster if not it will happen but take longer...
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#31 - 2013-05-24 15:29:14 UTC
Quite simply, put.

What the procurer is good for:
If you have ISK you just cant allocate, or to lazy to allocate into investments, then procurer is for you.

I personally have an over influx of ISK which I tend to throw at procurers, so I end up with something like 5-50 hulls amassing every week, week after week the stockpile is growing.

I wont stop till they reach manufacture cost.

Its a sound investment, AKA "Going long" with very minimal work involved.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#32 - 2013-05-24 16:43:19 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

I just want to buy those up who are sold cheap and sell them for their real price, the real high sell orders are on the market starting with 14 million much higher as they are now, so the big investors have already the same plan and do not sell that cheap... like mentioned everybody needs to decide for himself I just want to speed things up a bit, if some think its valid they jump in and things will be faster if not it will happen but take longer...



The thing is, those people selling "cheap" built them at their old cost, which was a couple of million.

You can ofc buy out all the markets and relist at their real value, and you would indeed end up controlling the market, as people sitting on hundreds would see the price they wanted, and then dump them to you
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#33 - 2013-05-24 16:52:33 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

I just want to buy those up who are sold cheap and sell them for their real price, the real high sell orders are on the market starting with 14 million much higher as they are now, so the big investors have already the same plan and do not sell that cheap... like mentioned everybody needs to decide for himself I just want to speed things up a bit, if some think its valid they jump in and things will be faster if not it will happen but take longer...



The thing is, those people selling "cheap" built them at their old cost, which was a couple of million.

You can ofc buy out all the markets and relist at their real value, and you would indeed end up controlling the market, as people sitting on hundreds would see the price they wanted, and then dump them to you


2.3-2.7M if memory serves me right.

thing is, its not just Jita buying and selling them, so we may be looking at 500 being removed per day all across new eden.
Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-05-24 23:31:10 UTC
The problem is that most of the demand that does exist for Procurers is likely due to other hopeful speculators.

They don't get destroyed very often. Some are used to build Skiffs, but those also don't get destroyed very often. Most miners who buy Procurers as a cheap entry into mining barges soon upgrade to the more efficient Retriever. The glut of Retrievers has pretty well been absorbed, because they are used more, and are destroyed far more often.

Perhaps increased ninja ice mining in low and null sec will help, as Procurers are more economically destroyed there. But organized/protected mining ops are not likely to use them.

It could literally take years for Procurer market value to reach build cost, assuming CCP does not change the extra minerals situation (that makes reprocessing uneconomical).

Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-05-25 01:17:10 UTC
Well, I am buying them, so if you have some stock you want to cash out on, make me an offer.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2013-05-25 08:05:58 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
The problem is that most of the demand that does exist for Procurers is likely due to other hopeful speculators.

They don't get destroyed very often. Some are used to build Skiffs, but those also don't get destroyed very often. Most miners who buy Procurers as a cheap entry into mining barges soon upgrade to the more efficient Retriever. The glut of Retrievers has pretty well been absorbed, because they are used more, and are destroyed far more often.

Perhaps increased ninja ice mining in low and null sec will help, as Procurers are more economically destroyed there. But organized/protected mining ops are not likely to use them.

It could literally take years for Procurer market value to reach build cost, assuming CCP does not change the extra minerals situation (that makes reprocessing uneconomical).



for sure it would help for every investor to blow up those ships if we see some :D do you know if there is anywhere a tool where I can see how many ships where blown up each day? so i can lookup the details?
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#37 - 2013-05-25 08:18:37 UTC
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2013-05-25 09:00:40 UTC
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