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Admiral Yanala's clone failed to activate
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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-05-23 23:15:44 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Look at it this way.

- Yanala was given the order to fire the doomsday on Caldari Prime, which she did not do.

You have a sick imagination, mister.
Do you have any evidences of such order?

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Of course, it could all be coincidence. But thousands of capsuleers perish and are reborn again on a daily basis, for some individuals, multiple times a day. Hell, sometimes capsuleers will kill themselves in their pod to be cloned again at another station, a sort of one way, instant transportation if you will.

Someone failing to clone isn't unheard of, but in this day and age, It's EXTREMELY rare. So rare that it's an issue that some capsuleers, probably even the majority of us, aren't even aware this can happen to them. The only realistic possibility of cloning failure is sabotage or some other form of damage to any key components involved in the cloning procedure.

No, it can't be coincidence. The only party that wanted Admiral dead right the moment after the battle, was... guess who?...

GALLENTE FEDERATION

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

So, a legendary admiral who might have quite a lot to say randomly fails to clone after dying in a major battle, a battle where she opposed the orders of someone with great power. It's a bit too good of a coincidence if you ask me.

With all this in mind, does anyone really think that random cloning failure is the culprit here?

Sabotaging cloning facility is a hard and long operation. Of course it can't be simple for this case, for this person, in this exact moment. It was planned by gallentean scum to catch her the same day they attacked OUR planet, destroyed OUR ship and now - killed OUR Admiral by sabotaging her clones!

GALLENTES MUST PAY FOR THEIR WAR CRIMES!!

Show them no mercy!

For the State!
For Heth!
For Victory!


I'm sending you a bill for my previous clone. The idiocy of your post managed to give me Jovian Disease. I don't know how that's even possible.

It's very clear that somewhere in Caldari Navy high command that the order to fire a Doomsday at Caldari Prime was given. The last transmissions made by the ship were that it was preparing to fire. Yanala made those transmissions in an effort to hide the fact that she was actually disarming the doomsday. Why would she hide her intentions if she wasn't disobeying an order?

Do you honestly believe that the Gallente would be able to sabotage her clones? I'd imagine that it would be pretty hard for a Gallente infiltrator to access the clones of the most prominent military figure in the State.




Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-05-24 00:30:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/cep-to-question-executive-officer-mininela-erinen-under-oath/



quote:
"The Executive Officer will appear before the tribunal on the morning of May 25th. According to the CEP, the questions will revolve around “Admiral Yanala's orders on the day of the Battle for Caldari Prime, her subsequent observance or refusal of those orders, whether the chain of command was properly followed in issuing the orders, the technical status of the cloning facility in which the Admiral was to have cloned, and the issues surrounding her clone's failure to properly activate.”"


Hmm...interesting.

CEP laying the groundwork to make a move against Heth.

Interesting indeed!

Most interesting to me is this statement "whether the chain of command was properly followed in issuing the orders".

I have a feeling things will either get better or worse for the State after this.

Just my opinion of course, after all I might be wrong.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-05-24 03:35:09 UTC
Stitcher wrote:

Heth is no saint. He's angry, constantly angry, and it's causing serious problems for Kaalakiota, and for the State. Iit's entirely possible that in his rage he could do something stupid.

Am I angry too?
Do I cause problems too?
If you kill me, would you accept his authority and superiority?
If you kill me, would you protect him by any means necessary as any Caldari citizen should?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-05-24 06:40:24 UTC
Yes, you are.

Yes, you do.

I'm not going to kill you, and no I would not.

No, because I don't think it is the duty of a Caldari to protect him - quite the reverse, I think it's the duty of a Caldari to uphold Meritocracy by working toward the dissolution of the CPD and the demotion of Tibus Heth back down to line worker for incompetence.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-05-24 09:42:16 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Yes, you are.

Yes, you do.

I'm not going to kill you, and no I would not.

No, because I don't think it is the duty of a Caldari to protect him - quite the reverse, I think it's the duty of a Caldari to uphold Meritocracy by working toward the dissolution of the CPD and the demotion of Tibus Heth back down to line worker for incompetence.

Well... then... If even killing me won't change your opinion of Heth-haan... then... to protect him... I would have... to... kill you... instead...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-05-24 09:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Or, you could change YOUR opinion of him.

In any event, I'm not a threat to the man, I just want him out of office and given a fair trial on any charges that might be unearthed after his removal. He doesn't need protecting from me.

Morwen Lagann wrote:
Why would they need to bother, once the Shiigeru was gone? The Shiigeru was the primary problem, as far as security in Luminaire was concerned. - it'd be a waste of resources and people to try something like that.

I don't care to buy into conspiracy theories, but I'll take the "Heth did it because he's losing his grasp on the State and reality" one over "the Black Eagles infiltrated the Caldari Navy all the way to the ******* top" if it comes down to it, thanks.


Indeed, if they were capable of that, they'd be capable of assassinating Heth himself and I suspect would have done so if they were inclined to assassinate anyone.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-05-24 10:45:04 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Well... then... If even killing me won't change your opinion of Heth-haan... then... to protect him... I would have... to... kill you... instead...

I wouldn't give you good odds on that fight, no matter what manner of combat you chose.

Best change your opinion on Heth sharpish! Hup-two! We haven't got all day.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-05-24 11:17:05 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Or, you could change YOUR opinion of him.

Do you aware that you are speaking about man, who gave me reason to live?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-05-24 11:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Diana Kim wrote:
Do you aware that you are speaking about man, who gave me reason to live?

If Heth is the only reason you have to live, then I predict by the end of the year you'll most likely have taken your own life.

Existing solely for others in no way to live. Trust me on this, if you trust me on nothing else - do not base your life around the worship of an idol. When the pedastal beneath it breaks, you will fall with it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-05-24 13:53:51 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Do you aware that you are speaking about man, who gave me reason to live?


Then I feel sorry for you, if your only reason for living is one man.

My reason for living is billions of people - the whole of humanity, in fact. The Caldari first among humanity, Ishukone first among the Caldari and my family first among Ishukone. Individuals - no matter who that individual may be - are at the bottom of my list of priorities. It's all about the greater good, the needs of the many.

You need to expand your priorities outwards and embrace something bigger and more important than yourself. Heth is not - Heth is exactly as big and exactly as important as you are, because you are both individual persons.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#51 - 2013-05-24 14:38:54 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Indeed, if they were capable of that, they'd be capable of assassinating Heth himself and I suspect would have done so if they were inclined to assassinate anyone.


Exactly. Why take the beast's hand when you can remove its head and be done with it?

Even assuming the Federation were going to attempt something like that, what would there be to gain from it? Killing a decorated, long-serving Navy Admiral wouldn't do anything that would help the Federation; in fact it would likely cause trouble because Heth would be able to turn it to his favor.

At least killing Heth would remove him from the equation.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-05-24 15:57:04 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Do you aware that you are speaking about man, who gave me reason to live?



Kim and Heth, a love story.
"They were made for each other, but will the Gallente tear them apart?"


Buy it on your holoreaders today!

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-05-24 16:44:42 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

I'm sending you a bill for my previous clone. The idiocy of your post managed to give me Jovian Disease. I don't know how that's even possible.

Another gallentean blasted. Day passed successful.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

It's very clear that somewhere in Caldari Navy high command that the order to fire a Doomsday at Caldari Prime was given. The last transmissions made by the ship were that it was preparing to fire. Yanala made those transmissions in an effort to hide the fact that she was actually disarming the doomsday. Why would she hide her intentions if she wasn't disobeying an order?

I have asked you for... EVIDENCES? Do you know what does this word mean? And you reply that is it "very clear"... to whom? To infected bloated deluded galletntean brains? Maybe... but what about sane persons?
I don't know what and how and why Admiral was "hiding" or broadcasting in local (actually, I saw what she was broadcasting, but still). I asked you for EVIDENCES of the ORDER, not Admiral's chatter or actions... about ORDER, given to her, verbally or in written form. Do you know at all what does ORDER mean?


Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Do you honestly believe that the Gallente would be able to sabotage her clones? I'd imagine that it would be pretty hard for a Gallente infiltrator to access the clones of the most prominent military figure in the State.

I'd imagine it pretty hard to get insiders into Leviathan in order to blow it up from inside during combat too. And I'd imagine it pretty hard to smuggle gallentean troops to the planet to start fighting, to lure titan and then to attack and destroy it. Nevertheless, gallentean dogs did it.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-05-24 16:45:10 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Do you aware that you are speaking about man, who gave me reason to live?



Kim and Heth, a love story.
"They were made for each other, but will the Gallente tear them apart?"


Buy it on your holoreaders today!

Oh, just shut up.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#55 - 2013-05-24 16:49:51 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Do you aware that you are speaking about man, who gave me reason to live?

If Heth is the only reason you have to live, then I predict by the end of the year you'll most likely have taken your own life.

Existing solely for others in no way to live. Trust me on this, if you trust me on nothing else - do not base your life around the worship of an idol. When the pedastal beneath it breaks, you will fall with it.

You, gallentean junk, will never understand what does it mean, to live for others.
You are cancer of universe, a mob of individuals who think only about their ugly skins.
That's why you must be destroyed.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-05-24 17:20:30 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Do you aware that you are speaking about man, who gave me reason to live?


Then I feel sorry for you, if your only reason for living is one man.

My reason for living is billions of people - the whole of humanity, in fact. The Caldari first among humanity, Ishukone first among the Caldari and my family first among Ishukone. Individuals - no matter who that individual may be - are at the bottom of my list of priorities. It's all about the greater good, the needs of the many.

He gave me reason to stay alive, and my life belongs to him.
But as well my life belongs to citizens of the State. It is my duty to fight for them. And it is my duty to die for them.
Some part of me even belongs for you, and that's why I asked you to kill me, if it would help me to return you to the State, instead of trying to kill you right away.

Stitcher wrote:

You need to expand your priorities outwards and embrace something bigger and more important than yourself. Heth is not - Heth is exactly as big and exactly as important as you are, because you are both individual persons.

Executor Heth is way more important and merited than me, or than anyone else alive in our cluster. My life costs nothing. His - everything.

And it wasn't just my life, that he saved. There are millions of Caldari, who can at last stand tall. Executor Heth showed us all, that we won't tolerate gallentean bullshit anymore. He showed us, that we can fight them. And we WILL fight.

We will fight for every Caldari soul, for every Caldari hope and dream. We will fight for Caldari assets, Caldari systems and planets. We will fight for Caldari children and Caldari elders. For all those, who can't hold weapons, and those, who fight among us. And we will fight together, we will fight as one. Not as people of Kaalakiota, not as people of Ishukone, not as people of Sukuuvesta, not as people of Nugoeihuvi, not as people of Lai Dai, not as people of Hyasoda, not as people of CBD or Wiyrkomi.

Bus as Caldari people. Strong, united and determined, as our ancestors.
Winds will guide us.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#57 - 2013-05-24 18:51:17 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Do you aware that you are speaking about man, who gave me reason to live?

This is the problem with the Provists -- the Caldari do not live for one man; cults of personality are antithetical to our meritocracy, to the meritocracy that Heth claims to champion. If you admit that his actions and incompetence can do nothing to change your opinion of him, then how can you claim to embrace the marketplace of ideas that has made the State great?
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#58 - 2013-05-24 18:58:01 UTC
Whether I decide I'm a fervent Quafe MAX drinker who will touch nothing else or someone who just picks the first drink they see on the shelf, the marketplace of beverages continues to be strong and competitive.

Customer loyalty is an important part of real-world economic models. You can't call ideological interactions a 'market' and then suggest fanatical loyalty to a 'brand' is a rejection of State ideals.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-05-24 19:21:23 UTC
But you can still argue the merits of a given brand, and think that a person's preference is completely wrong.

It's not a marketplace without competition either, nor without loyal customers abandoning a brand that's... what's the expression? "Jumped the shark."

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#60 - 2013-05-24 19:30:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Sure you can.

You think Heth is bad and she thinks Heth is awesome so you're going to argue about it because you're both emotionally invested customers. You want to convince her Heth has 'jumped the shark' because it doesn't deliver what you want. Of course, that assumes that it's not still delivering what she wants.

My only objection is to the idea that loyal consumers hurt the marketplace. They're a vital part of it.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.