Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Once upon a time i'm figuring local was basically required in order to get conflict in null sec. The space was too vast for the amount of players online and so it was the only way to find targets to shoot at. Thats really only a guess however i do know now that local's absolute intel isn't good for PVE or PVP.

In a perfect world intel would cost something either in fuel / isk / or time. This cost would scale based on the level of intel a corp or alliance was willing to pay and perfect intel (active local with the ability to find cloaked vessel) should cost a fair bit. As it stands now its a cumbersome balance between afk cloaking and active local and changes need to be made.

Why I think they need to be changed isn't due to the null bear vers cloaked pvpers but because in a system of perfect intel large fleet conflict can grow stale. I like the idea of surprising an opposing fleet without having to resort to lame log off tactics. I think with less certainty in numbers you will have more fleet fights and less bowing out of fights due to a sudden spike in local.. and conflict is good for eve

Nikk's idea is a good temporary solution for the cumbersome balance we have between local and cloaking. Its a compromise i could back. As much as we get tired of seeing anti cloaking / anti intel threads the problem still exists. So people still need to shake the tree otherwise it will never be fixed

My 2 Cents

You're not too keen on risk, I see.

Or group cooperation for teamwork.

And you want local enhanced so you don't need any other intel that needs to be effort based, hence your interest in the AFK flagging.

I think we know enough on your view to guess the rest.

god you are definately ******** therefore you require no more effort. you apparently cant read and are just on the defensive at this time. move on. your idea is **** and no one is going to go with it, if you are being cloaky camped, then just move on to another system and stop crying like every other pubbie before you that has tried this same idea.

Wow, and you are calling people retards and moron....

Nikk has never ever complained about cloaking camping in and of itself. In fact, he has advocated leaving AFK cloaking a viable strategy unless something is done to local.

A bit of back ground reading before spouting off with that mouth....errr those fingers would make you look a heck of a lot less foolish.

BTW, can you actually articulate your position beyond calling everyone a ****** or moron for simply not agreeing with you without seeing your argument?

If his suggestion were implemented it would be covert ops 1 and bomb deployment 1.

double post

Nevertheless Black Ops may happen and then carrier pilot is literally dead

Oh...so....200+ stealth bombers wont appear out of nothing. Instead they'll have to come into system the conventional way and be visible for short span....

Darn, was really hoping there was a way to make 200+ stealth bombers spawn out of nothing.....

You do realize this is a partial solution. For example, read this comment by Nikk. Now Nikk can correct me here, but implicitly he is allowing for some sort of method of scanning cloaked ships.

There have been a number of ideas offered on scanning cloaked ships. See this post and this post, where the link gives an idea on how to hunt cloakies.

(By the way, note all those links in that last paragraph are to posts by Nikk where he talks about hunting cloaked vessels, in other words your ignorance is showing--you wont have to rely on something some guy might have seen earlier in the day, get out a cloak hunting ship and check system).

So now if 200 stealth bombers some how get in system without you knowing it, you could use the cloak hunting method to at least see that there are cloaked ships in system.

I endorse visiting this thread, it is a resource to understanding many voices who have spoken out on this topic.

A frequently misunderstood detail out of all of this, would be the impression I am looking for kill mails.

Well yes, but just not for me. I am pushing for some means to compete as a miner against other PvE players.

The other miners in other corps have it too easy thanks to local. They have too little risk, and competing against them ends with watching local for hostiles.
How can I compete with them to make a better effort to survive, when the bar is lowered like this?

Null is supposed to be the dangerous section, with higher rewards, while high sec is safe with lower.
In theory, at least.

An interesting idea. Generally, when I cloak, it is because I want to not be noticed (I could care less if you saw me in local or not, I just want to avoid being caught as I do what I do what I do best while cloaked). Not being seen in local until I either spoke or de-cloaked would be an added bonus.