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Blasting through Null and kinda surprised...
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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#41 - 2013-05-24 12:25:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Gogela wrote:
FINALLY I have some time for eve after about a year... I'm shooting through null scammin' and what do I find? Nothing. A lot more nothing than I expected. No bubble camps. No patrols. Nothin'

Yah I'm in a cloaky nullified tengu, but I may as well have taken an iteron V. Every 20 jumps I find a frig or something... but even they are jumping at shadows, jumping through gates as soon as I'm in sys without even seeing what I'm in.

What happened?!


Why be in null when there are themepark rides (incursions, missions, other ways to make boo koo isk) available everywhere in high sec?. When CCP created the system upgrades scheme (so you could basically create isk farming systems in null sec), the place was way more active.

But you could upgrade every system the exact same as every other. So to "give alliances a reason to fight over the systems" they nerfed it to where only a very few systems became worth upgrading. End result was glorious non-stop wars of conquest and emergent gameplay everywhere everyone with a PVE alt screwed off to Empire (or made "button orbiting unarmed frig alts" for Faction Warfare LP farming) where making isk was safer and easier.

Brilliant job there ccp :) . Also consider hiring psycologists to go along with those economists...
EdFromHumanResources
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-05-24 12:34:58 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
It's almost like people have been saying there's no incentive to actually be doing stuff in space in nullsec for threeover eight years now.


Fixed it for you
Ylariana
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-05-24 12:40:31 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I don't care what your playstyle is, if you undock, you're a PVPer.


I dont care what your playstyle is either, so what.....

By that logic, having hands that can form fists makes you a bareknuckle boxer.

Being attackable does not mean that you want to be attacked nor that you are capable of fighting back in any meaningful way.

People who dont want to actively PVP try to avoid it. They generally do NOT force others to avoid it too.

People who DO want to PVP tend to actively seek it. The problem is that many of these people seem to feel it is their right to FORCE their play preference onto other people by involving them in that play style. Oddly enough, lots of those type of people tend to look for people who least able to offer any kind of resistance other than Tanking Up until Concord arrive to avenge them.

I accept that by undocking I agree to be vulnerable to being attacked by people who cant find a fight elsewhere and who then go looking for the weakest prey they can find, thats the rules of the pool *shrug*
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#44 - 2013-05-24 12:47:37 UTC
Ylariana wrote:


People who DO want to PVP tend to actively seek it. The problem is that many of these people seem to feel it is their right to FORCE their play preference onto other people by involving them in that play style. Oddly enough, lots of those type of people tend to look for people who least able to offer any kind of resistance other than Tanking Up until Concord arrive to avenge them.

I accept that by undocking I agree to be vulnerable to being attacked by people who cant find a fight elsewhere and who then go looking for the weakest prey they can find, thats the rules of the pool *shrug*


It is their absolute right, a right given by the fact that they sub to EVE online and such activity is not against the EULA. If you can't stand the possibility of it, you are playing the wrong game and should be playing any one of the thousands of other MMOs that don't allow encounters you don't consent to.

It has nothing to do with not being able to find fights, that's like saying a real life mugger on mugs people because there's no one to fight him at his boxing gym. People gank and such because it is (to them) fun to watch weaklings cry about a video game loss and (secondarily) it can be profitable sometimes. You people stop crying like little children and 90% of the gankers go away.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#45 - 2013-05-24 12:57:49 UTC
Ylariana wrote:
I accept that by undocking I agree to be vulnerable to being attacked by people

Yep, so you're a PvPer just like the rest of us.

Oh god.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-05-24 13:08:55 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
It's almost like people have been saying there's no incentive to actually be doing stuff in space in nullsec for three years now.

it's almost every time those people get answer "then move to high-sec and free space to those who would like to live there" but they refuse and still keep claimed and unused "useless" space and whine on forums Roll

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-05-24 13:12:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
When you can make just as much in high sec it no wonder null is abandoned

small correction: null-sec is not abandoned. It's all CLAIMED and used for moon mining.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-05-24 13:14:36 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
Gogela wrote:
congratulate!

for what?

Uh... ...for being awesome. Obviously.


are you sure you're posting in the right thread?


So how much does the operation to remove the rod cost?

Dodixie > Hek
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#49 - 2013-05-24 13:21:06 UTC
null is for roams and....

...

it'll come to me.

forums.  serious business.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-05-24 13:28:14 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
null is for roams and....

...

it'll come to me.


Moon mining. Never forget the moon mining.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#51 - 2013-05-24 13:28:34 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:

It is not like no one knew you were flying around. You were reported in a Tengu, which 99% of all T3's in null that are flying solo are cloaky and nullified. Which of course means you are uncatchable. So why bother undocking and or stopping the bearing to chase a ghost?...]


I had a wormhole collapse on me a couple of months ago, I ended up deep into the eastern dronelands in a Myrmidon. 26 jumps out to highsec and I only saw 2 or 3 other ships, and the total number of people I saw in local the whole trip was less than 20. This was at 12:00 Eve time or so. No one attacked, there were no camps, there were no roams, nothing.

People packed into highsec like sardines and hundreds if not thousands of null sec systems are empty. This may or may not be working as intended, I just wanted to note that I have had similar experiences to Gogela, and it also makes me wonder.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-05-24 13:30:56 UTC  |  Edited by: De'Veldrin
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:

It is not like no one knew you were flying around. You were reported in a Tengu, which 99% of all T3's in null that are flying solo are cloaky and nullified. Which of course means you are uncatchable. So why bother undocking and or stopping the bearing to chase a ghost?...]


People packed into highsec like sardines and hundreds if not thousands of null sec systems are empty. This may or may not be working as intended, I just wanted to note that I have had similar experiences to Gogela, and it also makes me wonder.


There is a difference between working as intended and working as designed. Nullsec is doing the latter - whether it is doing the former is up for debate.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Atlantis Fuanan
Wormhole Research Inc.
#53 - 2013-05-24 13:44:34 UTC
Ylariana wrote:
ah yes, yet more moaning about rewards in HighSec from people ignoring the OPs point about not seeing anyone in Low/Null.....

PvPers made it not just likely but almost certain that PvEing in Low/Null would get your ship popped, then moaned that people decided it was better to work out of HighSec. This resulted in L5 missions being removed from HS.

Now since the PvPers are too afraid of each other to do anything without a gang/blob behind them they want L4s moved out of HS. If they get that, it'll be L3s next.

Stop attacking every ship that moves in the space around you and maybe you will see more pilots in that space, meaning more targets.

YOU hunted your space to extinction, now YOU are moaning there is no food left to hunt ....... Brought THAT **** on yourselves. Removing L4s from HS wont change that, changing your play habits might help.

As long as you make it deadly to do anything other than PVP fit in Low/Null, people who dont actually find PVP that enjoyable will avoid that space. Removing their source of income will not change the fact that they dont want to engage in PVP, it will just reduce their enjoyment of the game.

And yes I AM posting on an alt simply because I dont like vindictive WarDecs from people who dont like any opinion that isnt the same as their own.


Exactly what i would have posted! Time to step back from NBSI and get some Humanity back ingame. You don't have to kill every little piece of spaceship that is trying to just move around! Killmail-hungry people all around.

[u]Things that would make EVE better:[/u] NRDS - Remove Local - Balance Cloak - Sov-Mechanic Changes - Less QQ
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#54 - 2013-05-24 13:55:07 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
When you can make just as much in high sec it no wonder null is abandoned

small correction: null-sec is not abandoned. It's all CLAIMED and used for moon mining.

The Atacama desert is claimed and has a smattering of mines but its still abandoned. There is no real reason to be out doing pve in null because you dont earn any more than in highsec yet face a much greater risk.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#55 - 2013-05-24 14:01:18 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


People packed into highsec like sardines and hundreds if not thousands of null sec systems are empty. This may or may not be working as intended, I just wanted to note that I have had similar experiences to Gogela, and it also makes me wonder.


Nothing to wonder about, it's just the way people are. Even in a game like EVE most people will choose convenience and safety over adventure and danger. It's why sooo many more people visit six flags or Disney land than enjoy extreme sports and why most MMOs are similarly styled themeparks.

As long as I've been playing EVE, null has been mostly empty compared to High Sec no matter what the Sov system was, what rewards were available etc. Even after CCP buffed null with upgrades the population increase was minor and temporary. most actual people are simply too weak-kneed to be able to accept even the chance of losing in a video game.

The answer isn't better null sec, it's better humans.....
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-05-24 14:01:58 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
When you can make just as much in high sec it no wonder null is abandoned

small correction: null-sec is not abandoned. It's all CLAIMED and used for moon mining.

The Atacama desert is claimed and has a smattering of mines but its still abandoned. There is no real reason to be out doing pve in null because you dont earn any more than in highsec yet face a much greater risk.

there is no reason to claim space if you don't use it. especially if no one agrees that "claimed space" == "reward".

Atacama desert is a part of country (i guess we speak about USA but i'm not sure) and thus there is no reasons to remove it from sovereignty (and it possibly cannot be done due to territorial reasons). Thus this analogy is bad.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-05-24 14:04:09 UTC
personally i avoid null because it's just not very survivable for a solo guy. w-space is much more like it, lacking local intel and that 15km jog back to GTFO city.

plus i can actually find targets that aren't already warping off by the time i drop on grid.

forums.  serious business.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#58 - 2013-05-24 14:21:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
I will say that I wish they would triple the cargo holds of all combat ships and triple the volume of all combat consumables like cap boosters. I've always enjoyed low/null ratting, but the volume of loot you have to leave behind when ratting in hostile systems is just so restrictive to that. Even just taking the best stuffs it seems to run out to quickly.

And maybe having long term missions get offered every so often; like "go get 5 crystal sansha tags and 5 named energy neutralizers, you will find these drops in nullsec south of Amarr." Maybe even include a one use wormhole that will lead to a random system in that area, so the player doesn't have to worry about getting in, only back out.
floating in space
#59 - 2013-05-24 14:29:14 UTC
imo the biggest issue with living in 0.0 is having to interact with 0.0 people. I think the incessant meme spouting gets to me the most, but it's more than that. It's just like SA and Reddit had a baby and it has down syndrome, he's covered in a horrible rash and whenever you get near him you feel dirty and you start to itch. A hollow, weak feeling envelopes you, you assume you must have contracted HIV. You're itching, tearing up, your skin has become pasty and you are so confused you turn off EVE go to Control Panel. You try to hover your mouse over the uninstall button but your hand is shaking too much, you just break down on the floor and start weeping uncontrollably. That's what it's like to me.

Someone please fix that
Bloody Wench
#60 - 2013-05-24 14:32:47 UTC
Gogela wrote:
FINALLY I have some time for eve after about a year... I'm shooting through null scammin' and what do I find? Nothing. A lot more nothing than I expected. No bubble camps. No patrols. Nothin'

Yah I'm in a cloaky nullified tengu, but I may as well have taken an iteron V. Every 20 jumps I find a frig or something... but even they are jumping at shadows, jumping through gates as soon as I'm in sys without even seeing what I'm in.

What happened?!



I went for a cruise the other day. 33 jumps through nullsec.

First 3 jumps had what looked like relics of a long forgotten bubble camp.

Yeah there was nothing.

At my destination I did find 3 guys. 2 in Chimeras, 1 in a rorqual. They were the only ones in the system.
D-scanned for the carriers, found the Rorq in a pos and one of the carriers about 120kms off the pos doing nothing.

Said hello in local...no reply.

I have no bat phone....the carrier lived.

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