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Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2013-05-23 22:29:58 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot?

If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self.

If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself.

Me, I'll never fire the first shot.



It does not matter who makes the first shot, what matters is who gets the killmail.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#62 - 2013-05-23 22:33:31 UTC
Depends on a few factors of course. In terms of high-sec war, shooting before target aggression is usually pointless, unless they simply can't jump or dock. If I'm flying my 16,000 volley Machariel, shooting first is usually a good idea. The reduced session change timer, even though I like it, makes me a little sad in that respect.

Oh, and I really doubt the OP returns fire on anything with that kind of attitude.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#63 - 2013-05-23 22:36:03 UTC
I'm currently operating under NRDS-EMIIAFM(WIPCR) ROE in lowsec



*Not Red Don't Shoot -Except Maybe If It's A ******* Marauder (Which I Probably Can't Resist)



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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#64 - 2013-05-23 22:56:32 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot?



Back when the "flare" on WH passage worked differently, I used to launch bombs at that special moment and catch the lucky contestant coming through unaware he was about to be engulfed in the bomb's AoE.

Sometimes it worked great, and the effects were hilarious.

Other times, I'd just warp off and listen to the spew of foulness in Local and still get a giggle.

The element of surprise, best surprise -- it's high time that Locals throughout EVE worked on the same basis as WH Locals.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-05-23 23:00:13 UTC
So many negative Nancy's in this thread.

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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#66 - 2013-05-23 23:06:51 UTC
I dunno when I pvp we my opponent and I seem to start shooting at the same time Ugh

wumbo
Alternate Poster
Zerious Fricken Biziness
#67 - 2013-05-23 23:07:07 UTC
4 pages of useless discussion when all that matters is who fired the last shot.
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#68 - 2013-05-23 23:11:01 UTC
Alternate Poster wrote:
4 pages of useless discussion when all that matters is who fired the last shot.


not true. What if your opponent is using missiles Lol

wumbo
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-05-24 08:03:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Adela Talvanen
EdFromHumanResources wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:


But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name.



I'd stick to high-sec if I was you.


What a pompous and patronising statement.


And yet completely accurate.


Hardly, that little girl seems to imply low sec is something to be scared of, but hey ho, when I've gone through the sisters of eve arch after the June 4 expansion I'll probably head over to low tec to see if its anything like its cracked up to be, heck I might even join a corp while I'm there, like say Pandemic Legion, as from what I've been reading, it looks like they could need some help with the Honey Bear Alliance kicking their ass all over low sec, but then I suspect Pandemic Legion are now well past their sell by date. Blink
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#70 - 2013-05-24 08:14:52 UTC
What an odd thread.
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-05-24 08:36:14 UTC
Everytime I've been shot at first, I've lost a ship. Ever time I've shot first, they lost a ship.
Sure it won't always be that way (i'm guessing) but so far it has...
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Terra Khashour
Dark Tendencies
#72 - 2013-05-24 10:22:35 UTC
I'm just doing pew pew, dont care who shoot first, importnant is who will be alive when i stop shoot.
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2013-05-24 10:33:52 UTC
Shoot first, ask questions later.

One and only correct answer in EVE.

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EdFromHumanResources
State War Academy
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-05-24 11:29:37 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
EdFromHumanResources wrote:
That's what all the lowsec l33t pvper cyno alts say.


When 'Is the target a PL zergling with a cyno?' question rises to the top of the list there are a few other questions that must be answered...

Do you see at least 1/3 of a fleet composed of Tech 2 logistics ships on dscan?
Do you see 30 T3 battlecruisers on dscan?
Did you see 30 Nyx's on scan on your way through Amamake?
Does the target have a slight air of scumbag entitlement?
Does the target not respond in local chat due to his strict alliance rules?

The douchebag checklist goes on and on...


My what lovely nerd rage you have there. Also since when do we fly T3 Battlecruisers on fishing fleets and have rules against talking in local?

PS. No entitlement here, just smug superiority.
Bruce Kemp
Best Kept Dunked
#75 - 2013-05-24 12:28:08 UTC
I try to fire my guns before i even have a lock. Twisted
flakeys
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-05-24 13:48:52 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot?

If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self.

If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself.

Me, I'll never fire the first shot.




If you're at war then to wait until they fire at you is daft.


Not necessarily, if they use a gun your shields if the round hits can absorb the first round, if they use missiles or rockets you can see em coming, if they use lasers they might miss with the first salvo. Its the principal of who shoots first becomes the aggressor.



No it's the principal of surviving in hull or dying when your opponent only has hull left. The principal of killing your opponent before his buddies land on grid or being just too late so his buddies place the scrambler on you too.
Allways make the first shot if you feel an engagment coming.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Drachiel
Mercury LLC
#77 - 2013-05-24 22:35:32 UTC
The moral high ground is meaningless.

I shoot first when the situation calls for it, and wait for aggression when it calls for that (enemy on station or gate @ 0).
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#78 - 2013-05-25 03:32:32 UTC
Bruce Kemp wrote:
I try to fire my guns before i even have a lock. Twisted

Prefiring is a useful strategy.

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Mr Morita
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#79 - 2013-05-25 04:42:43 UTC
EdFromHumanResources wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
EdFromHumanResources wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot?

If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self.

If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself.

Me, I'll never fire the first shot.


Spoken like a true high sec dweller.


You make that sound like its a bad thing.


You're a blind man giving input on what colors compliment each other.


Relevant.
Pitrolo Orti
Doomheim
#80 - 2013-05-25 05:02:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Pitrolo Orti
In RL I always throw the first punch...why waste your time. There is always the chance you can knock them out with one.

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