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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#41 - 2013-05-23 16:04:06 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:

Me, I'll never fire the first shot.



But you already did with that OP. Now everyone is firing back.

You are going to lose, bra.

Mr Epeen Cool
feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#42 - 2013-05-23 16:13:23 UTC
I hear you HAVE to shoot first when flying a Phoenix or the POS may outrun your missiles..

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#43 - 2013-05-23 16:25:28 UTC
EdFromHumanResources wrote:
That's what all the lowsec l33t pvper cyno alts say.


When 'Is the target a PL zergling with a cyno?' question rises to the top of the list there are a few other questions that must be answered...

Do you see at least 1/3 of a fleet composed of Tech 2 logistics ships on dscan?
Do you see 30 T3 battlecruisers on dscan?
Did you see 30 Nyx's on scan on your way through Amamake?
Does the target have a slight air of scumbag entitlement?
Does the target not respond in local chat due to his strict alliance rules?

The douchebag checklist goes on and on...

Not today spaghetti.
Reicheck
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2013-05-23 16:31:03 UTC
Samillian wrote:
Dear Op

Aggressor is such a pejorative term.

As a supporter of free market trade and the manufacturing base via combat mediated facilitation of frequent product replacement among the consumer base, combined with an open sourced low base cost stock acquisition model I find it best to operate independently of the restrictive, anti-competitive and socially imposed moral framework you espouse.


This made my day, thank you.


As for firing first? Chicken or Egg?
Market PvP: They fire first with a low price? Or is it me firing first when I undercut?
Mining: Getting up early to mine the belt clean before the locals have a chance. Yeah, that could be firing first.
Making me get up early... could be them firing first.
Trolling: You know the rules and so do I.

First time I went into 0.4, someone else fired first. I couldn't, my Iteron was unarmed. That was when I learned what going into 0.4 in an unarmed hauler meant. lol

Most of the rest of my interactions are in Hi-Sec so, they'll be firing first unless I know I can take out the suspect.

No sig here.
Obvious Cyno
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-05-23 18:51:38 UTC
I'll typically let them aggress first. Then let my namesake do the rest. Lol

Question is circumstantial.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#46 - 2013-05-23 19:05:21 UTC
I'm a non-combatant. So whenever someone fails to lock me, I win.

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New Mining Mechanics
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#47 - 2013-05-23 20:08:42 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot?

If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self.

If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself.

Me, I'll never fire the first shot.


If you're at war then to wait until they fire at you is daft.


Not true. In a lot of cases fights happen on gates. If someone jumps into the gate I'm on I can't shoot right away until I'm sure they aren't aligning back to the gate. If they do its cake for them to make it back through a lot of time and I won't be able to chase them because I have aggression.

If they shoot first I don't have this problem and I can get range, point them, and light them up.

Basics.

Every day I'm wafflin!
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-05-23 20:29:53 UTC
Marianne Pollard wrote:
I'd also be interested to know how long a piece of string is.

Anyone?


Depends on the optimism of the person using it, might be shorter or much much longer.

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-05-23 20:35:51 UTC
It depends wether they are red or not.

Im from CVA, we are NRDS [Not Red Dont Shoot]

If someone is neutral to us we give them the benefit of the doubt, so we dont engage until they do.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Skex Relbore
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-05-23 20:39:05 UTC
Always point them first, then shoot and don't forget to overheat.

Combat in EVE is a race to see who can reduce the other ship's hit points to zero first, why would you want to give your opponent a head start? Unless you just like losing ships.
Beltze Sorgin
BSSLD Explorations
#51 - 2013-05-23 20:58:28 UTC
1. Lock the target.

2. Bait the line.

3. Spread the net.

4. Catch your man.

1 mil to anyone who can name the artist & song! (EVEmail me for ya reward. 1st received wins.)

Seriously though I'm a bit of a newbie to PVP (but frack at least I'm trying!) so I tend to take a look at the ship my potential enemy is flying & the range before locking. Oops
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2013-05-23 21:05:17 UTC
Beltze Sorgin wrote:
1. Lock the target.

2. Bait the line.

3. Spread the net.

4. Catch your man.

1 mil to anyone who can name the artist & song! (EVEmail me for ya reward. 1st received wins.)

Seriously though I'm a bit of a newbie to PVP (but frack at least I'm trying!) so I tend to take a look at the ship my potential enemy is flying & the range before locking. Oops



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Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#53 - 2013-05-23 21:13:44 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:
Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot?

If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self.

If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself.

Me, I'll never fire the first shot.


Wow, OP, I truly suck embarassingly horribly at PVP, but even I know better than that...you make me feel like Conan the Tactical Spacewarrior Leet Genius.

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Beltze Sorgin
BSSLD Explorations
#54 - 2013-05-23 21:18:13 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Beltze Sorgin wrote:
1. Lock the target.

2. Bait the line.

3. Spread the net.

4. Catch your man.

1 mil to anyone who can name the artist & song! (EVEmail me for ya reward. 1st received wins.)

Seriously though I'm a bit of a newbie to PVP (but frack at least I'm trying!) so I tend to take a look at the ship my potential enemy is flying & the range before locking. Oops



Front 242 - Headhunter


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Beltze Sorgin
BSSLD Explorations
#55 - 2013-05-23 21:20:10 UTC
I suck big time at PVP too. I keep on trying though & I think I'm getting better Lol
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2013-05-23 21:32:28 UTC
Han shot first and won. If you want to be cool and win, shoot first.

And so I always shoot first.

(It doesn't always work.)

Proud pilot of the Imperium

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Ckra Trald
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-05-23 21:36:22 UTC
when i pvp, I shoot first and lose my rifter
I shoot second, I lose my rifter
I undock, lose my rifter
Select my rifter and lose it

plot twist, it turns into a smaller rifter

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#58 - 2013-05-23 21:37:01 UTC
Shoot first, worry about sec status later.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#59 - 2013-05-23 21:41:01 UTC
Ckra Trald wrote:
when i pvp, I shoot first and lose my rifter
I shoot second, I lose my rifter
I undock, lose my rifter
Select my rifter and lose it

plot twist, it turns into a smaller rifter


This is the correct procedure. Carry on.

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Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-05-23 22:07:00 UTC
Years ago I made a Rifter alt in order to do the done thing. He even had a badass bio and all.

Trouble is, I could never bring myself to shoot first. Don't know what it is, but no matter how I turn it around, play with it, rp it, whatever, something in me just revolts at shooting first, even in a game.

So I'm still crap at PvP.

It's an illness, I know.