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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-05-21 14:48:26 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Sex. Offer it.

From the sounds of the whining I think the aggressors are already getting plenty of this from their targets.
Ynot Drarig
Drarig Mining and Exploration Corporation
Metallicus Vehementi
#42 - 2013-05-23 13:05:40 UTC
From what I have seen with the War Dec game mechanics, it is invariably High SP, Null Sec veterans, who set up Corp's in high sec for their Alt's. They then go around war deccing and shooting up relative noobs in their Tier 3 ships! Perhaps they are bored in Null Sec and/or looking for easy kills?

Not sure this kind of gameplay helps the "Sandbox" as it seems to discourage a lot of new players, who leave the game. Yes we could encourage the new players to stay in NPC Corps, but this removes some of the fun options?

Not sure of the answer, but it seems to me that we need to let the new players learn and become confident then encourage them to move out into low/null. Which they will, if null was easier to get into and more rewarding for the individual risk taker, rather than the big alliance.

As for the High Sec war deccers....make them pay 1.0Billion a day
Aln 'Al-Talib' Hasin
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-05-23 14:42:14 UTC
Kronos wrote:
I agree there is something wrong with the war mechanics for high sec. I dont mind the odd war dec lasting 1-2 weeks because some pirate player corp wants to, or that someone has done something to upset another corp I think its all fair and with in the game rights. But I have now had a high sec war running now for 1-2 months and they are not going to stop. If you look at the history they are war deccing everyone who enter Jita (includes on the list Goonswarm and Test Alliance).

Now this is causing a major strain on my Alliance I formed. It is killing and upsetting the way people want to play EVE. I know a few people who bearly log on now because they know they will be hunted and killed. I do not know a good way how this problem can be sloved, but maybe putting fee's higher to something silly say 1-2 Billion a week to war dec a high sec based alliance then only really serious players will war dec. Also we have the nice bounty system in place if there was a way to buy a bounty tag from concord so you could hunt one particular person for a fee.

I am currently running my alt character but this war has runined my game play along with members in my alliance, it has stopped me doing the things I love to do in EVE, its a shame that someone elses fun is runied because others want to take advantage of easy kills and others hard work. It should not be this easy for them. I know of may high sec industrial based corp/alliances that have been disbanded or have all split up because of this problem.

Please CCP if you say you read these forums and what us players say, take note and try and help this problem.



I'd advise you stop lamenting over 'how the game should be' and begin finding solutions to the current reality that 'might makes right.' In EvE's current form, anyone who establishes an organization without regard or consideration on how to protect it will inevitably see it laid to waste. It is natural selection. There are many, many ways to combat aggressors as many have posted here. CCP may or may not create your risk-free industrial paradise one day, but it sure as hell doesn't exist now. Learn to adapt or fall into obscurity.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-05-23 15:29:47 UTC
Ynot Drarig wrote:
From what I have seen with the War Dec game mechanics, it is invariably High SP, Null Sec veterans, who set up Corp's in high sec for their Alt's. They then go around war deccing and shooting up relative noobs in their Tier 3 ships! Perhaps they are bored in Null Sec and/or looking for easy kills?

Not sure this kind of gameplay helps the "Sandbox" as it seems to discourage a lot of new players, who leave the game. Yes we could encourage the new players to stay in NPC Corps, but this removes some of the fun options?

Not sure of the answer, but it seems to me that we need to let the new players learn and become confident then encourage them to move out into low/null. Which they will, if null was easier to get into and more rewarding for the individual risk taker, rather than the big alliance.

As for the High Sec war deccers....make them pay 1.0Billion a day

You have to remember that all high sec wars are consentual pvp. There are options to avoid wars. Not avoiding them is consenting to be shot. For many new players high sec wars are a controlled introduction to pvp and so wars are beneficial to the game. Not detrimental.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Ynot Drarig
Drarig Mining and Exploration Corporation
Metallicus Vehementi
#45 - 2013-05-23 16:40:11 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Ynot Drarig wrote:
From what I have seen with the War Dec game mechanics, it is invariably High SP, Null Sec veterans, who set up Corp's in high sec for their Alt's. They then go around war deccing and shooting up relative noobs in their Tier 3 ships! Perhaps they are bored in Null Sec and/or looking for easy kills?

Not sure this kind of gameplay helps the "Sandbox" as it seems to discourage a lot of new players, who leave the game. Yes we could encourage the new players to stay in NPC Corps, but this removes some of the fun options?

Not sure of the answer, but it seems to me that we need to let the new players learn and become confident then encourage them to move out into low/null. Which they will, if null was easier to get into and more rewarding for the individual risk taker, rather than the big alliance.

As for the High Sec war deccers....make them pay 1.0Billion a day

You have to remember that all high sec wars are consentual pvp. There are options to avoid wars. Not avoiding them is consenting to be shot. For many new players high sec wars are a controlled introduction to pvp and so wars are beneficial to the game. Not detrimental.
Ynot Drarig
Drarig Mining and Exploration Corporation
Metallicus Vehementi
#46 - 2013-05-23 16:48:48 UTC
Yes I agree with you in most part, I have no problem with Hi sec wars. The problem is they are to easy & cheap to declare and invariably the "Noob" in a T1 ship is up against a couple of Tier 3 Tenghu's, or the like, so they stay docked up...that is where I think it is detrimental. Detrimental inasmuch as too many players get frightened off and leave the game........never getting anywhere near Null!

I personally think Low Sec and Null has gotten so quiet and boring because no new blood (pun intended) is getting there, precisely because we are frightening them off too early!
JAF Anders
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-05-23 17:05:01 UTC
Players should ditch corporations whose leadership won't facilitate their survival.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.
Haulie Berry
#48 - 2013-05-23 21:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Ynot Drarig wrote:
Yes I agree with you in most part, I have no problem with Hi sec wars. The problem is they are to easy & cheap to declare...


No.

If anything, they're too easy and cheap to avoid.



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Detrimental inasmuch as too many players get frightened off and leave the game........never getting anywhere near Null!


Sounds like Malcanis' Law.

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I personally think Low Sec and Null has gotten so quiet and boring because no new blood (pun intended) is getting there, precisely because we are frightening them off too early!


I vaguely recall some charts from the recent fanfest showing low-sec pewpew at an all-time high. Please dispute them. Lol
Ginger Barbarella
#49 - 2013-05-23 22:14:34 UTC
Goram Kar wrote:
Is anything being done about highsec war decs in the future? It seems silly that a seasoned pvp corp can pay a measley 50m and just go willy nilly and pop miners or people who have much less fighting capability. My corp has been under war for nearly the past month, each week with a different corp/alliance. Is anything being done to address this? If not, this is game is starting to get really frustrating really quickly.


There are basic rules to survive as a carbear in high sec:
1) Don't smack in local
2) Don't plant small towers near trade or mission hubs
3) Don't do ANYTHING near trade or mission hubs

If you've been under constant wardec by different corps for over a month you're clearly (and don't take this the wrong way) doing something wrong. Get out of trade and mission hubs; do your thing away from trade routes. 2 jumps away from Jita, Amarr, or Dodixie does NOT count as "getting out of a trade hub".

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
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